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What's very interesting to me is how characters misjudge each other. It's like a little window into their heads.

Isabella always sees the best in everyone to the bitter end, Heathcliff takes people at face value, and Lockwood's only constant is that he's wrong.

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A Bestiary- Succubi of the other 6 sins

Wrath: The best person you’ve ever met. Exactly as you want them to be, from ideology to habits. And its harder and harder to see others as not measuring up to them. Everyone else’s failures, weaknesses, little foibles and annoying habits grating more and more next to them. They’re always there to point them out...and suggest what to do about it.

Envy: Perfect in a way you can never be, better then you at everything you care about.  No matter how you try you can't beat them fairly, so you fester until the resentment pushes you to do something terrible. And it works. Finally, they’re broken down, humbled, reduced to your level. So the next time someone's better then you? You know what to do.

Pride: The perfect servant. Fawning, obedient, eager to tell you how great and perfect you are, how they’re not worthy of your presence. To tell you you're right. To tell you how everyone questioning you is just jealous, and how can you let them talk to you like that? You're perfect. Punish them.

Greed: Cold and precise. They have a plan, a plan that will pay out. You'll never have to work a day in your life again. All you need to do? Something terrible. Something unforgivable. They don't lie or manipulate like the others. They just tell you the score, and let the system push you into their arms.

Gluttony: fun, excitable, lovable. The platonic to the romance and pleasure of lust. Always pushing you. It's fun, right? Take another. Do another. You're not getting cold on them, are you? Who cares if they were ok? Don't ruin the vibes. Ignore the screams. Do it again :)

Sloth: Calm, friendly, clever. Always there with a good argument. You don't really need to do that, do you? Someone else will help them. It wouldn't change things anyway. It's all pointless in the end, not worth it. Sit down, relax, don’t worry. The world will take of itself. You don't need to do anything.

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I think Heathcliff has a strong sense of right and wrong and I think he spends most of his life willingly doing the wrong thing but I don’t think he doesn’t belive in good and evil. It’s an interesting thing i should look at when I’m awake. People say every character thinks they’re the good guy but he certainly doesn’t talk that way

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Heathcliff and Isabella have inverse arcs??

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I like how Nelly talks about Hareton being the only one who didn't know Heathcliff cheated him out of his inheritance or whatever like a) Hindley wouldn't've lost it all anyway and b) like Hareton didn't genuinely love Heathcliff.

I'm not defending Heathcliff's parenting skills or behavior towards Hareton, to be clear, but Hareton has three parental figures in his life (that he's old enough to remember sorry Nelly): Hindley, Joseph, and Heathcliff.

Hindley legitimately tried killing him and cropping his ears and dropped him at least once.

Joseph is Joseph

Compared to them, it's not hard for Hareton to see Heathcliff as a genuinely good parent, especially if he saw Heathcliff as saving him from Hindley.

Again, Hareton was abused by all of them, but I get why he latched onto Heathcliff

And the village wasn't worried about Hareton being abused. They don't give two shits about that, as the entire book makes abundantly clear, though I don't know what they could have done.

Like this wasn't where I was going but pragmatically speaking what could anyone do? My gut reaction isn't, ah, super practical.

@theheightsthatwuthered let's band together and figure it out. What would a villager do if they found out a child was being abused? Witch hunt?

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I was talking to @theheightsthatwuthered about how Heathcliff really sucked at being Hindley. There's just no substitute for regular failed murder attempts.

THEN I realized that Hareton is seven when Hindley dies, which is NOT the age Heathcliff was when Hindley came home, it was the age Heathcliff was when Mr. E found him.

Obviously not enough to win my argument, but it got me thinking that

Heathcliff was never Hindley, he was Mr. Earnshaw

Evidence:

Way too stable to be Hindley.

Raised a kid that wasn't his own without ever formally adopting him (? Was that even possible back then?)

His relationship with Cathy ii looks like Mr. E's relationship with Cathy i

Violent but not murdery

Died from a sudden illness that changed his personality dramatically

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Listen.

If Heathcliff found pain truly amusing, he would never stop laughing. I would argue that he actually doesn't take pleasure in his revenge and considers it more of a vigilante justice thing, if a useless twisted selfish vigilante justice thing, but that's neither here nor there.

Heathcliff also isn't easily amused. I can recall him laughing exactly once in a way that wasn't scoffing.

And that leads me to believe that whatever was going on with lockwood and the dogs was genuinely hilarious.