#altaic

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[joelchaimholtzman]

One of my older paintings inspired by Mongolian, Turkic and Altaic mythology. Almost 8 years (!) ago that I made this one while doing a mentorship.

I worked many, many hours on this piece and gave myself plenty of room to make mistakes, something that was essential to my growth as an artists at the time. I am still trying to find the time to go back to study and learn, and see how to bring my skillset to the next level.

Cheers!

JCH

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W!P

[thenuclearmallard]

Reposted from YouTube. Altai - Telengits

[possessivesuffix]

Speaking of how much Chinese and Japanese have in common though, here's an interesting NeighborNet typological chart of Northeast Asia:

Besides the tripartite Sinitic / Micro-Altaic / Japonic–Korean division, note also features like

modern Japanese and also Ryukyuan drifting closer to Ainu;

Jurchen-Manchu drifting closer to Sinitic and then back again (??);

the relative difficulty of separating "Altaic" from "non-Altaic" languages of NE Asia

Atayal hanging out close to Old Chinese and indeed within the authors' division line for Sinitic (many other SEA languages might fall around here);

Russian hanging out in the upper right between North Tungusic and Yukaghir (in a larger network most of Indo-European and also Uralic would probably attach somewhere around here).

(from Yurayong & Szeto 2020: (De-)Altaicisation as convergence and divergence between Japonic and Koreanic languages)

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[fabianocolucci]

A quick mention of the five branches of Altaic

Japanese and Korean are two language so mysterious it is not possible to establish their origin. Also, we should consider that, in the case of Japan, a writing system arrived on the archipelago only in the VI and VII centuries, despite the Jomon culture having spread over the course of millennia.

Some linguists suggest that they’re related, maybe with a proto-Japanese separating from proto-Korean. Keep in mind, however, that those languages share similarities because they’re both part of the “Sinic world”, which means that some of those words actually derive from Chinese and adapted to the Japanese and Korean pronunciations.

There’s also another theory, which is now disctedited, about how those two languages are the easternmost extension of the Altaic languages, which are spread across Asia. No, seriously: if you pick a map of Asia up, you will notice how the five groups of this family separate the continent in two halves.

This theory is divided in two: some supporters indicate that a proto-altaic might have existed and it is the common ancestor of the five languages. Others, however, suggest their similarities derive from being geographically close, so their ancestors may have ended up inflencing eachother. This concept is expressed with a German word, sprachbund (linguistic league).

What are those five families?

Turkic languages

As the name may suggest, Turkic people are closely linked to the history and culture of Turkey. They can be found in central Asia (inhabitating the various “-stan” countries except for Afghanistan and Pakistan), in Azerbaijan, in eastern Siberia and western China.

Mongolic languages

I remember when, in middle school, we studied the Otoman Empire and the textbook mentioned some cultural similarities with the Mongols. This is why it does not surprise me that there actually are similarities that ended up including Mongolian and Turkish into one family.

Tungusic languages

The last imperial dynasty of China, the Qing, came from Manchuria, whose language is tungisuc. The only other language of this family with a literary attestation is the Jurchen one from the XII century, and therefore it is difficult to draw the ancient history of this family.

Koreanic languages

Similarities between Japanese and Korean grammar imply multiple theories about those languages being related, usually with a “father and son” approach between proto-Korean and proto-Japonic.

Japonic languages

If you notice, there’s no trace of the Ainu language, spoken by the eponimous people in the Hokkaido island. This is because they speak an even more isolated and mysterious language. There are some who try to include it in the Altaic theory, but it is another issue.

The geographic proximity theory seems to be more favorable than the language family one.

Together, they form the controversial Altaic family, but that topic is too heavy for a quick blog post, so we’ll call it a day for this one.

[novakspector]

Ural Altaic linguistic and genetic data