#andor talks

[jynjackets]

tony gilr0y being a bitch about writing credit. a tale of two movies

Gary Whitta, story writer for Rogue One

[jynjackets]

can someone, maybe Mr Explain His Accent himself, explain to me in detail why B*x had to be Latina if she wasn't from Kenari and wasn't related to C@ssian? and why there were no other Latinas (as far I am aware of) in the cast? because this whole drugs/sexualization/womb-to-carry-the-bloodline/farm thing looks bad on any woman and even worse on a Latina and even more worse if there's only one Latina. was Adri@ supposed to play his sister originally and Mr Accent Explainer changed that to sexualize her?

anon pls 💀

Yes it feels painfully obvious. I think it’s hard to explain micro-aggressive xenophobia when people don’t even know about blatant xenophobia. Despite this, it’s going to bug me if I don’t spell it all out at least once.

Bin’s role was always part of the plan based on how prepared the script was for the actor. The casting specifically calling for a latina in her 20’s implicates the intention for her to match a ‘look’ they were going for, meaning there’s no coincidence that she looks like a modern influencer with veneers and botox. As a Razzie winner, we can say she was not hired for her talents. To fit the narrative for s2 she is made to be a stereotypical spicy latina wife with cringe dialogue and more sexualization to match.

The actor themselves having a consistent history of desiring roles where she’s serviceable to men, she could only be the perfect choice for such a regressive character. It’s worth mentioning that the actor loves the canon character exactly as she is so much she got a tattoo of her name, even when the creator himself begged her not to.

We know from interviews that tony has been trying to literally change what the fandom ships. Embarrassing. In order to sell a grand romance as a usurper, he pulls out all the classic sexist hetero tropes, particularly with her being a damsel in near constant distress and stay-at-home gf. Not only are bin and andor cassian violently heterosexual based on the show’s extra attention to past relationships, they get the latino bonus treatment with torture, attempted rape, and substance abuse.

To usamericans, they appear to be the same ‘race’ which, based on the pertinent xenophobia with cassian’s emphasis as an outsider, the need to explain his accent, as well as the fact she is the only latina in the entire show, this is designed to imply a racially-motivated ‘special’ bond. They are trying to make their latino status exotic in other words, by way of othering this particular couple based on their appearances and what we know about them.

Bin is latina to sell the idea that the couple have this idyllic heteronormative incest-coded homestead lifestyle while also allowing the benefit of each being sexualized to death. This is to all of course accomplish the idea that cassian would only and could only love a woman he is physical with, share a long history with, and even share the same ‘race’ with. On its own, without the implication this is meant for Jyn, I don’t know how to say how fucking disgustingly xenophobic and misogynistic this all is.

Why is nobody talking about the sexist latino elephant in the room?

Details and subtext like this are often reduced to speculation in fandom even if you’re talking about your own representation. Whenever minorities do talk about their own mistreatment, they are bullied into submission and told that we are “reading too much into things” or “taking it too personally.” That our complaints are a reach simply because somebody just feels like it is.

On top of that, Bin’s role as an ex is a sensitive topic for people who are particularly afraid to out themselves as misogynists. This may be because… they are 💀.

Or, they are inconspicuously pursuing male validation while projecting this idea onto all women. ‘All women are going to hate her because shes a girlfriend in the way, but not me because i’m different.’

Or they genuinely prefer women to be this way. They’re tired of women doing masculine or independent things because their scope doesn’t go past why this is important for women. They might be the kind to say that it’s okay to wear makeup or it’s okay to want to be a tradwife.

Or are prioritizing a narrative created by men on ‘female competition’, that to fight it they must do the complete opposite and be friends with everyone. This group doesn’t realize they are operating their lives completely based on what men think. They are also treating women as interchangeable instead of individuals if you really think you can like and be friends with all women, real or fictional.

Whichever of these reasons is the case, it is still misogynistic. There’s probably more reasons having to do with being obsessed with men but i don’t feel like getting into that today.

So then there’s this not-mutually-exclusive last group that HC or OC her and pretend she’s not all of these nasty things. And personally, I don’t understand how plastering fictional poop with fictional gold services the author or anybody when there are hundreds of relevant and inspiring not-poop all over the galaxy. Many of them are already gold you don’t need to pretend. Telling people, especially the people that the poop is supposed to represent, that it’s not poop, doesn’t actually change its DNA or its purpose. It’s still shit.

[jynjackets]

All this talk about Bix's child being Cassian's "legacy" just reveals how terrible a plot twist it is. Cassian didn't need that type of a legacy! His legacy, along with Jyn and the rest of the R1 characters, was helping to get the death star plans to Leia. Which saved the galaxy!

Yeah, tony did not understand R1. And it’s not hard to get, not because it’s sophisticated but because it’s a fucking star wars movie. He didn’t get what the force meant, what made the ending speak to people, or why a woman won’t base her life around a man.

rogue one set a legacy all on their own while passing the baton on to beloved heroes like leia and not just stealing credit for everything. It was an original story that was a tribute to the entire galaxy.

The topic about the bad baby writing ends with this argument from this article. Aside from the tradwife propaganda, the abomination doesn’t actually mean or do anything because women and babies are actually people. And cassian andor is fucking dead and is never going to fuck yall for accepting a certain canon or another.

[jynjackets]

gilr0y does an nytimes interview with a conservative writer and vehemently denies andor has left wing politics, also shit talks guillermo del toro for some reason, and people are still going talk about how he’s the most revolutionary writer to ever exist

that’s a lot dick gobbling for two straight men. my 2 take aways

1. the average fanfic writer is more educated than the geriatric nepo baby

2. MAGA apologist interviewer literally confirms when I said Andor appeals to both moderate liberals + conservatives, because no real idea is actually being conveyed in the show other than white supremacy

it’s even why he’s such a fan saying the politics has some real empathy to it. the guy who thinks abortion should be banned in the U.S. loves gilroys work. shocking.

[jynjackets]

I agree with you when it comes to the show. I was feeling that antiracist part about Saw. I thought it was odd to imply he breathes rhydo instead of oxygen through that mask. The guide reason with damaged lungs from exposure to chemicals used on Geonosians made sense. Saw talks about a rhydo leak when he was imprisoned in the same episode, an explanation is right there! So going in the direction that hints to him repeatedly huffing the gas? It has you reinterpreting the character in a certain way. Him encouraging Wilmon too, I question some the writing choices.

Yeah that was really just stupid as fuck. I thought the mask was changed so that it can make him immune or reliant to rhydo but it’s apparently still an oxygen mask to treat the damage according to tony. From his words it also sounds like it was purely added to the writing just to answer why he has it in rogue one.

And what bothers me is how reduced Saw’s extremist stance is to these strange acts of disobedience more than anything. This man wouldn’t just do something stupid and life threatening to prove something to a kid? He’s not even “mad” like they want to spin it, he’s a survivor and he’s paranoid from a lifetime of leading a hidden insurgence. It’s not that hard to infer that a war veteran is going to have physical disabilities. But tony didn’t want to give him anything too special because all the fighting was meant for his precious OC luthen. god forbid a black man change the course of history!

[jynjackets]

ur one of the first people to call out girloy’s bullshit while everyone was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I remember seeing a post you made or reblogged about him making anti-arab and white savior comments and it stuck with me ever since. idk why are people are surprised by any of his shit

Idk either! They will know about the most vile shit he’s said, and then have convenient amnesia when they want to baselessly praise the show.

Tony:

cassian’s accent needed to be explained

last movie vilifying palestinians in lebanon while featuring zero palestinians

King David Hotel bombing by right-wing Zionist group as inspiration for the show

fans: “what a violently inhumane thing to say”

also fans: “the racism, xenophobia, and misogyny is bad. but the show is still good. progressive, even.”

[jynjackets]

Even if I WASN'T a Jyn x Cassian shipper, the Bix baby ending still would've made me roll my eyes.

I don’t think rogue one has anything to do with watching a woman get assaulted twice, get consistently disrespected by her controlling boyfriend, be ignored by said boyfriend who doesn’t even notice her drug addiction, and have zero personal goals outside of this trash boyfriend, all just to extract herself from the narrative as a sacrifice for this guy to be the hero while she ends up as a breeding vessel and caretaker for the rest of her life, and thinking that’s like maybeee super fucked.

and lead character of rogue one jyn erso ain’t got nothing to do with this. like yes it’s rude af since that was the intention, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to let them gaslight me into thinking that women are valuable because of men. like girl get up

[jynjackets]

do you have links about the issues t0ny had with the show directors and the other behind the scenes problems? I havent seen any so far

a reddit user was part of the show production and confirmed this by accurately describing the s1 finale in a leaks sub three months before it aired november 2022

they shared this leak in october about the aldhani arc directed by white

and shared this leak in november about haynes

this was tony’s version in answering why no directors came back for season 2. as a treat.