#anti-arrow

[distant-rose]

As a Dinah fan, what was your opinion on Felicity/Olicity on Arrow?

My girl, Gail Simone, said it best:

[correlativity]

sincerely i want nothing more than for legends to last longer than error,,,, like i want them to have a ninth season just to fucking flex on error. felicity and e1 laurel can show up on board at some point and kiss just to fuck with certain error fans. heck, even better they both show up and so does nyssa and they all kiss and go away to live in happy gay bliss while olive oil burns in hell. throughout the ninth season they keep making fun of error,,,,, like talk about how fucking stupid olive oil is. maybe make a comment about how he really didn’t last long. idk just something bc the only valid things about error are a) making fun of it and b) ignoring canon to talk about all the gay.

[ittybittymattycommittee]

Legends of Tomorrow summaries: Best of dissing Arrow

[obikitty]

I’m so done with Arrow now. It really is the worst. It caters to 25% of it’s viewers at the expense of the enjoyment of the rest. That 25% is given literally everything they ask for: an important comic character they want dead: She’s dead. Their ship: sex scenes. Their fav character: perfect at everything, always right, no conequences. NTA punished: characters mutilated or written off. Jealous of comic history: give the oc child a comic name.  

They plan things they know a large percentage of fans will hate, lie and promise they won’t do those things to trick those fans into watching, then do them anyway and pretend it’s a ‘twist’ even though everyone already suspected they’d do it to cater to certain fans. F wont be evil. Wont be dead. Just as most people suspected. It will all be a taunt, just as many feared. But it will be touted as a ‘twist’ that the writer’s pet character is the one who saves the day in the end. That the title character, the hero with a long history, will (once again) play second fiddle to their pet oc. 

I knew OF was endgame at this point. But I was really hoping the show could put the focus on the Green Arrow where it belongs and have the relationship be a bearable subplot with enough moments to keep shippers happy, but a small enough focus to please the majority of watchers. That’s not to be, I guess. Season 4 here we come. They’ve turned back in the direction that tanked the show.

[thenightling]

Why I stopped watching Arrow over a season ago...

First Arrow got ridiculously dark and edgelordy.  Everyone who hasn’t watched it thinks it’s soft because it was on the CW.  No.  It had torture, and mutilation and most of it didn’t really serve a purpose. It’s like they just wanted to say “Look how edgy we are!” 

The thing that really got to me, the thing that really, really got to me when the one guy betrays Ollie to the government because they threaten his child custody.  And that same guy (and the rest of the vigilantes) get angry that Ollie doesn't trust them.   You DID betray him!And then for an entire season the final line from that same character to Ollie is "Nothing's changed, Hoss."  (After they show up to help but have to remind us they're never reconciling, never ever!)I got fed up by phrase by the end of it, I was like "that's it. I'm done." This was around season 5 or 6 (I don’t remember which season it was), I stopped after that.Every, single episode "Nothing's changed, Hoss."

[pinkletterday]

To no one's surprise, I'm not doing the best job of staying tf away from Arrow. Because I have the curiousity of a cat and the impulse control of a five year old.

Two clips in, it has yet failed to depress me and make me lose faith in humanity. I really should stop prodding it like a loose tooth to see when the pain will come.

Otoh, its so weird to me in shared universe shenanigans that their friends don't visit each other when in a jam. It's probably in the rulebook somewhere that when you crash a man's wedding you turn up to visit him when he's in prison. There could have been throwaway lines in both shows ("How's Barry doing?", "Oliver and Felicity dropped by yesterday" "Digg says Lyla's offering to pull some strings" or "does Oliver need help fending off this FBI investigation?") just to affirm that this is a shared universe, where people are actually friends with each other outside of magic and aliens and alt earth Nazis. The way they do in comic books.

This time even the timelines don't match up. But the CW has never been good with that sort of thing and I'm still trying to pretend Arrow doesn't exist anymore. So.

The other thing that grates on me is Nora's age. The way the girl acts she cannot be more than a kid of twenty-one tops. Even the aged-up Bart Allen who was the Flash for a spell in the comics had a corresponding maturity. Yet she's supposed to be from 2049 and born somewhere around 2019 - 2020 (Is Iris getting pregnant next season???) Part of her appeal is that she's very young, new to the hero biz, looking up to her older and wiser father who may be young but not a peer and certainly not younger than her. Literally the only reason they made her come from 2049 is because Barry Allen was dead in the comics from 1985 to 2009 (so actually 24 years) and they wanted to pay homage to that.

I always rearrange facts in my head when the show gets nonsensical. Things I decide happened off-screen: Barry comforting and being there for Iris when her Mom was dying, spending time with Cisco and Caitlin when they were going through all the crap they have, Team Arrow visiting Barry in prison and checking up on his family, Barry visiting Oliver in prison and checking up on his family. And now Nora from 2040 managing to get the 2049 newspaper from the Waverider/ Gideon/ The Legionnaires (she did mention Lightning Lad) and then, realizing its no use waiting for her father to come back, deciding to go back in time to save him.

That's not even counting the scenes I actively refuse to acknowledge/ rewrite entirely in my head. Oliver sleeping with Laurel after telling Tommy to go after her, Laurel prosecuting Moira, 80% of Arrow S3, Laurel dying, Barry deciding to let Eobard kill his mother like she wasnt a real person outside of his own life, Savitar being Barry, "I don't know what I'd do if this was all that was left of the man I love", "you lied to me too when you said you didn't have feelings for me" (I think I rooted for Eobard for the rest of the season after that one) "why didn't you ask for my father's permission", "its okay Dad I know you were just trying to protect me" (which Flashpoint actually did rewrite thank God), their treatment of Harry after he lost his knowledge, the whole wedding crashing dear Lord how traumatized am I by these shows.

Luckily DC Comics has been kicking my heart in the nuts for so long I'm quite acquainted with Stockholm Sydrome and have this selective retention thing down pat. If anyone wants to know why I love the characters and ships that I do, it's cause I'm very good at pretending all the bad parts didn't happen.

[farsight-the-char]

I have many fears for the Batwoman show, and one is that just use it to recycle Bruce’s plots for Kate instead of developing Kate’s own mythology.

Mind this fear is justified given they turned Ollie into a worse Bruce, so yeah Batwoman will probably be a disaster.

[xswestallen]

What is your opinion on Stephen amell saying that Arr*w should influence the GA comics?

I really don’t keep up with what the Arrow actors are doing. (In fact, I haven’t even kept up with the show. I stopped watching season 6 after the crossover and while I’m considering finishing it on Netflix, I hear it isn’t very good.) So, I haven’t been paying attention to the drama of Stephen’s tweet. 

From what I understand based on reading just a few short posts from people I follow who are more into the Arrow fandom, he said that the Green Arrow comics should adapt to be more like the CW show. I think that’s arrogant and laughable. Arrow is based on the comics. Arrow is a TV version of the Green Arrow comics. It’s the adaptation, not the source. For anyone, but especially the show’s star, to say it should be the other way around is ridiculous. 

Obviously, no adaptation of any kind is ever perfectly accurate and 100% true to it’s source, and that’s fine. A lot of times it’s better to make changes that keep the audience intrigued or that work better with a visual medium than to stick with the comics. I love Alex Danvers on Supergirl, who is an original character form the show with no source in the Supergirl comics. She’s a great part of the show. But, I think it would be stupid for someone on Supergirl to say that the Supergirl comics should introduce Alex Danvers because of the show. That’s not how it works. 

The writers and artist behind comics don’t have to take orders from the writers and producers of TV adaptation they have nothing to do with. The CW bought the rights to make an adaptation, not the rights to control all Green Arrow content of every kind from now on. If Stephen had said something else, like he would enjoy seeing a new version of the Green Arrow comics that are part of a different canon (like comics do all the time. There are so many series and versions of superheros out there. Just look at the new 52 verses the original Flash comics) that is inspired by the show, that would have been fine with me. I don’t think anyone would’ve had a problem with that. But, him saying that he wants to ignore decades of Green Arrow comics and the canon so many people built through comics, because of his show that’s been on for only 6 years, was disrespectful to all Green Arrow comic fans and the people who’ve worked on them.

But, like I said, the Arrow fandom isn’t my forte. I don’t stay informed on everything going on as well as others. I would point you to @angelfireeast for better Arrow criticism.