#antianders

[kyliafanfiction]

I was thinking about Anders today and like - one thing I often forget about him (because I just never run into it in any game I've played) is that you get friendship points with him for selling Fenris back into Slavery. Real classy guy there. And there was this short fancomic I saw once from a Fenris/Anders shipper (reblogged and mocked by an anti-Anders blog) years ago about Danarius offering Anders power (and help liberating more mages from the Circle) if he handed over Fenris and Anders blows up and is like 'YOU THINK I WOULD SURRENDER SOMEONE TO CHAINS LIKE THAT?!" Or something over the top like that. And like, he did approve of it. A nd the thing is, Some people really argue that the 'Friendship for selling Fenris into Slavery' is kind of out of place for Anders, just someone applying friendship/rivalry points without thinking and you can make that case, since it's a bit extreme even for Anders, but equally - people like that exist. Anders is very much that person on tumblr or twitter who makes a very narrow and very specific band of activism his entire personality. He even has the whole part where he's bigoted on other fronts. He may be Bi in the game, but what he reminds me of is like, one of those white gays who pretty much only cares about gay and lesbian issues (and maybe bi issues when he wants to attack Ace or trans people) but he's transphobic and doesn't actually care about women's issues beyond Lesbian-ness virtue-signaling type stuff, and he's sexist and racist and so forth.

[archdemonsblood]

Since I’m back on this blog, I’m going to save everyone a lot of time:

You are never going to convince me that it’s okay for white men* to blow up houses of worship if only they feel wronged somehow.

Never. Don’t try. In fact, I really wish that some of you would step back from this fandom’s toxic landscape and, at a safe distance, ask yourselves if you really believe that it’s okay to blow up houses of worship if only you feel sufficiently wronged, or if you’re just afraid of the middle-school bullying and name-calling that certain hard-core Anders stans jump to at the first sign of someone having a slightly different opinion than they do.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with liking Anders as a character. I don’t, personally, but my current icon is Gellert Grindelwald and his husband. I get it. However, there is a difference between liking a character and claiming that their actions are okay.

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*If you think I’m going to entertain a debate about whether or not the pale-skinned strawberry-blond with a Scandinavian name was intended to be something other than white, you are very wrong. That said, I do not think that it is okay for anyone, of any race or gender, to commit acts of terrorism. But I do find it interesting that the character the fandom latched onto as “proof” that it’s okay to commit indiscriminate murder if you’re oppressed is a white man.

[sebethany]

Hey Dragon Age fans: can 2020 be the year people stop trying to deny that Anders is a terrorist? Like you can agree with his motives if you want but please acknowledge that he is, by definition, a terrorist.

[hawkesmurderknife]

I actually first learned about it from @gothic-princess-witch.

And yeah, it’s unbelievably awful.

[cummanuopere]

@gothic-princess-witch not exactly a loop, but he had it coming XD

[canonanders]

Been seeing a post floating around claiming that what Anders did with the chantry wasn't betraying Hawke. But like, he lied to Hawke and manipulated them? Made then an accessory to a crime without their knowledge or consent? Implied that if Hawke DIDN'T help then they didn't love him? How is that not a kind of abuse/betrayal?

Especially considering if you take Anders at his word, he says the ingredients hawke is collecting are to separate Justice from him and theoretically help both of them from corrupting each other.

He lies to hawke about what he’s going to do and makes hawke complicit. It is 100% betrayal.

[fuckingdamnitimnotcleverenough]

Let me explain a thing to some of you

Fenris killing Danarius was revenge but most importantly it was about survival. Fenris was a SLAVE, he had no rights. He was forced to do everything that Danarius demanded and we don't even know how awful some of those things were. And the man finally shows up, trying to take Fenris back to that life. What was Fenris going to do? Not fight back? That's bull shit. Any sane person would have fought to protect themselves. Fenris didn't lash out and try to kill any mage he could. He saw that mages are potentially dangerous and that is 100% true but he didn't go on some crusade to rid the world of them. No, he went against the person who he was after from the beginning. Killing slavers in between, which quite frankly are we really going to say that's a bad thing?

Anders took his hatred out on a church full of innocent people. He blew up a church that had orphans in it. He murdered these people and he had no idea who was even in there at the time. Elthina was not his enemy. That was not revenge. That was not the same thing as Fenris and Danarius. Anders took the one person who was capable calming Orsino and Meredith out of the picture. Putting every mage in Kirkwall in harms way. He was sacrificing them for his war, he didn't care about them. He cared about himself and only his oppression. He was a terrorist and his actions are not justified.

So to clarify, Fenris was right in his actions because his life was in danger. Anders was not because he sacrificed innocent lives to fit his agenda. He even states that you should be willing to sacrifice people to make change. There were templars willing to stand against Meredith, they were wanting the Circle to get better. But Anders fucked everything up.

[scatteringmyashes]

Fenris Critical: Yeah he's ugly and looks like he's supposed to be in an anime and also he's whiny like get over yourself buddy

Anders Critical: He's abusive and racist and a misogynist and he literally blows up a building full of innocent people

This Hellsite: Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be --