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Not sure why people are complaining so much about the ST finale. It wasn't perfect, but it was by no means a bad finale--on the contrary.

Plus, the ST fandom got closure in a way us TUA fans could only dream of. Eleven's ending is what I wish we had gotten for the Hargreeveses.

From the looks of it, it seems like an average bad writing for a finale. I know people who enjoyed it and saw a lot of people not. But I haven't liked the show in a long time, and I have no skin in the game. And to me, season 1 was a great ending.

The ending feels.... a little too clean, lol. Like, I get wanting all the characters to have a happy ending, but also generic happy ending doesn't always mean the best or most satisfying writing. I don't know what character arc would make sense for it to end that way, but it's odd that none of them died? The only one that died was a woman of color and a side character that people already hated.

The ending sounds like... pretty much what you would expect to happen. The day is saved by Eleven with the rest, everyone lives, except the one side character that everyone hated from that season 2 episode, and the sci-fi character disappears with the rest of the sci-fi. Some High School friends and sweethearts stay together, most don't. They are more or less happy or sad but hopeful. Some stay or leave Hawkins. Eleven maybe lives, maybe doesn't, but their hope that there's peace for her wherever she ended up.

The ambiguity of Eleven's ending is nice, but it's really sad to treat her as a sort mythical figure rather than a person. Like, yeah, if she survived. But she'll never see her adopted family again. Her father will have another daughter lost. She started as a fantasy character and ended as a fantasy character, as though the person she was becoming went away. She's started alone and ended up alone.

Ultimately, I don't know the show well enough to have a really valid opinion on it. My opinion may be different if I didn't drop the show. I know s1 the most, which is a completely different show with a lot fewer characters.

The ending is unsatisfying, but it could always be worse. Same eith tua, it could always be worse. It could've been the ending of St. Elsewhere

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Isn't Ritu in Canada with David? They were together in LA so I assume they also traveled together and are doing the quarantine together?

Oh maybe! I didn't think about that! I'm personally only going off the stuff sent by Steve Blackman and those at their hotel and how Ritu didn't seem to have that and her most recent Instagram post.

Again, it's possible she's there, but I am not sure. Just because they are together in LA doesn't mean they would go to Canada at the same time.

But yeah, they might be in Canada, quaratining together! She might've just not done the bingo or she's just off camera cuz it's not a work zoom

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So glad I’m not active Twitter! Like that’s awful what people are saying about Viktor! Idk I’m someone who didn’t realize he was trans till the pandemic happened like sometimes it just takes a while that doesn’t mean it’s not realistic

"Just have a good explanation" lol the writer's decided to reflect their actor's identity into the character they play, because even though the actor was fine with it, they felt it fit the character's journey of self discovery and wanted their fellow employee and friend to be comfortable with his first role after coming out after being uncomfortable for so, so long.

There. That's an explanation.

But yeah it's just so dumb because this show has been completely wild since the beginning and is only grounded when compared to the comic, but now there's were concerned about "realism" when trans people are involved. But even then it's not "realistic" it's people worried that the explanation won't fit in their narrow-minded ideas and expectations of trans people. Everyone's story is different, there is no one way to realize you're trans.

"Just don't make it unrealistic" yes because spontaneous births to superpower babies and the anthropomorphic ape and an alien dad and time assassins are normal and make sense, but a 29 year old, who wasn't allowed to fully, emotionally understand themself until now, discovering a part of themself and their identity? Yeah, better be wary about that, because that could easily not make much sense 😬😬😬. The Umbrella Academy should stick to realism, less trans people and more character you would actually see in real life, like Christopher the sentient floating cube.

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Gerard Way isn't trans. He says he's a man.

I'm trans and I'm a man those things aren't mutually exclusive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The tags I stole said he's a "trans icon" which doesn't necessarily mean he's trans, but he's an icon for the trans community. Many gay icons aren't gay or even the same gender, but their art and/or support of the community is what makes them an icon. Gerard is a trans icon because he constantly shows his support for the trans community, his expression of his gender and challenging of social norms, and his just the content of music itself (which I might go into in another post)

But even then, it's not like... I'm not wrong to associate him with the trans community? He literally associates himself with the trans community.

He's always gone against social norms with his androgynous and now feminine gender expression and presentation. He's literally talked about struggling with his gender identity, and how he identifies with trans people and women. He's literally said his pronouns are he/they!

He's never outright said his gender and sexuality. That's fine. I also try not to assume anyone's sexuality or gender. But he's also never said anything about being a cishet man either. And it's presumptuous to assume that he must be man because he doesn't say anything.

He's a trans icon, who he himself identifies with trans people, so it's not out of nowhere to identify him as trans as well

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If they kill off Marcus, they’re killing off the only dark-skinned black character. I’m gonna be pissed

Yeah, agreed. I really really don't want that either 😬. It's also weird with this show since death is kinda fluid. All deaths are high tension, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll stick for everyone. Or they do stick, but in a different timeline.

While I do think something will happen with Marcus and the Kugelblitz but I don't know what will occur. But if something does happen to him, I don't think it will be permanent.

Here's what my different thoughts

1. Marcus reaches for it, but doesn't actually touch the Kugelblitz. From the trailer it seems like it's destruction comes in pulses, but not taking away everything with each pulse. So he might be near it but not be effected

2. He does touch it, but same thing. Maybe he's hurt but not killed by it.

3. He does get effected by the Kugelblitz, but it's a fake out. Yes, it's disappearing people and things from the timeline, but it doesn't actually kill them, but send them outside the timeline or something. So Marcus may disappear but its revealed he (along everything and everyone else) wasn't actually killed. OR we see the inside of the Kugelblitz because of Marcus

4. If the Kugelblitz does kill, he won't be the only Hargreeves to be affected by it. And if this does happen, it will be undone. Speaking of....

5. All the events of the Kugelblitz will be undone, so if something happens to Marcus and everyone else (death or disappearing) it will be undone. Either with the Kugelblitz will undone and restoring the Sparrow timeline or they will restore the Umbrella timeline, and the Sparrows will be back to having lives without Reginald.

I will reiterate that this is all speculation, and I'm really don't want to assume the worst. While I think they will explore things with this character, it would be a shame to cut that off too soon.

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which siblings do you think will have the most important storylines? which ones do you think will have the least important or irrelevant ones?

I don't really see it as "which storyline's will be important and irrelevant", it's more about which character's storyline is going to be more involved with the plot and who's going more character based.

Umbrella Academy is kind of unique because it gets to be both plot and character driven. All the characters are thethered to the plot, but some are allowed to stray farther then others. We also often see the characrers switch, and often the lines blur between character driven and plot driven, because this show is ultimately about this group of siblings. In season 1, Klaus' kidnapping is an important moment and part of the plot, but once he returns, it's entirely character focused. And Viktor's story seems only character driven until it slowly becomes clear that if the plot is a question, Viktor was the answer.

That doesn't make the character driven storylines inherently bad or wrong, they're just different. It doesnt always drive the plot but it can gives us insight into a character.

That being said, Five's story definitely gonna be plot driven. It seems like he'll be getting a break at first but then he'll be back to business. What's also interesting is that it seems like Klaus, the most character-driven and least tethered to the plot, will be plot driven at certain points as well. But, it seems he's also going on a personal journey as well, so which could stray from the plot or ought it further. You never know with this show!

I'm hoping the same thing will happen with Allison, I definitely know she'll be dealing with her issues, but I don't know if it'll just be personal or it'll involve her with the plot.

It seems like Luther with be the least plot driven, with what the Geeked Weekes interview, Luther's trying to find himself and go a bit wild.

We'll see how right or far-off I was!

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CURLY LONG-HAIRED KLAUS!!! They didn’t straighten his hair this time, they’re not cowards

Ahhh I know right? I'm so excited, it looks soooo so good. I know I'm didn't mind it being wavy hair (I know I liked it a lot more than others), but I definitely love long-but-slightly-short curly hair!!!

I'm wondering if it'll be addressed at all. I could imagine a funny joke about one of the siblings wonder why Klaus curled his hair and he's reveals he's been straightening it for years. But it's not really necessary, so probably not.

They had Klaus' hair longer and straighten for the first scene, so it is a change Klaus is making. I think it'll be a implied haircut, like they did last season. They didn't need to show us to make it clear Klaus cut his hair made a change, though I love a good haircut scene, and it would be cut too see Diego, Klaus, and Viktor all get their haircut together (by Allison perhaps??) but I can see them wanting that to be just Viktor's moment, and a private event.

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are you worried about whether netflix' promo tactics for tua vs st4 ??? ppl have been saying that tua is gonna be cancelled after season 3 and i really hope thats not the case. any thoughts??

Here's the thing. Umbrella Academy is one of their most popular shows, but Stranger Things is the most popular show. It's from an era of netflix gone by, where Netflix was the platform with all the new and unique shows. And now Netflix is struggling, so of course they're gonna be promoting ST a lot, it's gonna be a big focus.

And I think TUA got caught in the crossfire, unfortunately.

It absolutely sucks because this is supposed to be their biggest season yet but the promotions feel like peanuts compared to last season. The promotions are actually a pretty normal amount, but we got so much during season two. But TUA s2 was the biggest thing coming out that summer, so they were putting more into like they are eith Stranger Things. And, unlike tua s3, the promos weren't being photographed/filmed during a spike in the pandemic.

I think it's either thinking "oh it'll be fine on it's own" or "oh it'll get people from Stranger Things"

Logically, it wouldn't really make sense for them to pit their own shows, on the same platform, against each other beyond a sorta light hearted way.

All this said, I don't think this will cancel TUA or that Netflix is trying to cancel the show because of TUA, they'll cancel it because Netlfix is struggling. I imagine right now they're waiting to renew just to see the numbers first, which are gonna be fine no matter what. TUA has always had a lot of viewers, getting huge numbers since s1 and then breaking recordings during s2. And if somehow they werent able to get big numebrs again, people are renewing subscriptions for ST, waiting for part 2, they'll likely check out TUA since it's has a new season. And if TUA was ever cancelled? They'll get picked up again, literally no doubt about it. TUA isn't just a Netflix property, Dark Horse and Universal will probably move it to another streaming services, as it's a hit show for them too and I don't think they'll want to lose those millions of viewers.

Honestly thinking about it, cancelling TUA would be detrimental to Netflix. TUA is less expensive than ST yet it's raking in atleast 40 million viewers. If they're cancelling TUA, one of their biggest hits, then Netflix is dead dead.

I don't know. It's all sort of ridiculous and I'm trying not to worry since there isnt tech icslly anything to worry about. I feel like people on this fandom tend to jump the gun on stuff like this. It's nice that people care about that show so deeply, but this isn't the first time people have started worrying when there really isnt anything official to worry about. Again, it has a tons and tons of viewers, ST will more likely help than hurt. And if you're really worried? Keep watching season 3. Have the show on in the background while you do work. That'll atleast help the Neilson numbers. And also remember that no news is good news.

This is supposed to be an exciting time, not a scary one. This isnt the end of TUA, its another beginning. Don't be so worried about the ending that you forget to experience the joy of a new beginning and another season