Hey i saw your post about hallahstein (now @/archivedstein) and i thought you might want to go and look at the tumblr tag for archivedstein because there is a pretty dirty underbelly to this entire situation.
No need to post my ask if u dont want to ofc, i just thought you might want to stay informed. Turns out, being blocked by archivedstein really mightve been in your best interest.
(post for reference)
holy. fucking. shit.
okay, this post makes me feel INFINITELY better after everything i went through with joan. at least i know i'm not the only one who had to deal with their behaviour. i had no idea it went this deep.
i hope everyone who's experienced the same bullshit from joan as i have is able to recover, even if you didn't know them for long getting abruptly blocked and cut off is so scary. (hell, i had a panic attack that lasted 4 days the first time they blocked me LOL.)
here's a message i sent to my sister in 2023 regarding my first experience with joan.
tl;dr : i freaked the actual fuck out.
my more recent experience with joan:
and then about an hour later, they block me AGAIN because i didn't immediately refollow.
and then another 4 months later, they contact me unprompted
they then proceeded to immediately block me again before i could even read the post.
that was when i FINALLY blocked them back (i hadn't blocked them at all prior to this.)
i'm just discovering all of this and it's kind of shocking to me but a bit of a relief that i'm not the only one who's been through this.
EDITING THIS: ALSO A BIG THING. they deleted basically everything in our dms over discord & i no longer have access to their username so i can't go back to check. they would ask me very odd questions despite knowing my age. i'd go more into detail, but i don't want to stir anything up without proper visual evidence.
i hope they're doing okay, wherever they are, but i don't think they should get away with this bullshit.
i really never make posts like this, but after my experience i felt like it was important.
this is a review of my experience in attempting to commission music from joan / @flapjackstein (other usernames in the tags)
0/5 stars - BUYER BEWARE
tldr; i waited over 2 years for my commission, was blocked before ever receiving it, called names, and treated incredibly disrespectfully when i posted about it. then i was offered more music than i originally commissioned once they realized they were wrong, then again, blocked and talked down to.
edit: after making this post they made multiple accounts to harass my and their followers/ex-mutuals to attempt to discredit my claim by accusing me of horrifying things and refused to provide any evidence.
there's no world where i could recommend them any less after this experience.
this whole debacle started back in july of 2023. joan reached out to me asking if i knew anyone who could help them make their rent. i'm not rich, but i like to pay it forward when i can! so i asked how much they needed, i was told $50 and sent $75 to show some extra kindness. they were incredibly thankful and asked if i wanted anything in return. at this point, i was happy just to have helped and said no.
a few days later they came to me asking for another $45, then another $60 the next day.
at this point i had now given joan $180 in total, so when they offered again to make music for me, i took them up on that offer and we started on the commission process. we exchanged discords, i gave them information about what i wanted music-wise and waited to hear back about my commission.
3 days later, they request another $40... i politely tell them that i'm not in a space where i can budget giving them another $40 and offered to give them help again when i could afford it.
later, they sent me a cover of a song they did, which i was confused by because it didn't seem related to anything we had discussed and was delivered with no accompanying message. i figured it was a mistake or that there would be follow up with context, but i never received a message from them again.
i was recovering from emergency surgery, so pestering them about my commission was on the back burner. plus, they came to me asking for money during what seemed like a rough time for them, so i didn't want to put extra pressure on them and wasn't in a rush.
i was particularly confused when in the spring of 2024, joan paypal requested me another $40 out of the blue with no note attached. i ended up dismissing it and declining the request, but made note of it in case it came up.
here's a screenshot of our paypal history:
anyway, my commission sits in the back of my mind but since i follow them on tumblr and see their posts often, i'm occasionally reminded i should reach out when i can, but it wasn't a priority for me.
i had gone to their profile a couple of times to reach out, but i kept seeing them in rough patches and decided not to add more stress to their plate. i honestly should have said something sooner, but my life had gotten hectic as well and, like i said, they never really seemed to not be going through it.
now cut to a few days ago, i wake up to seeing 10 hours ago i was blocked by them and banned for "inappropriate behavior" from the two groups i was in (and never posted in) made by them.
there was no way to appeal the ban or reach out to them on tumblr, so i went to discord to try and ask about it.
there were no hard feelings if they didn't want to interact with my blog, but if that was the case i still wanted the opportunity to get the commission i already paid for. unfortunately, when i went to their discord i could no longer message them.
after that i went to paypal and requested a refund with a note attached about my situation and how i'd like my money back if the commission is off the table.
i also made a post on here asking for advice about what to do! they then saw that post and proceeded to unblock me, call me an asshole and a piece of garbage before even getting the details of my situation.
i end up explaining what happened, sharing screenshots and again stating that i never got my commission.
once they realized i was telling the truth, they told me the "comments" i made about them on my post asking for advice was "terrifying" and that they "needed to stress vomit" before giving me their new discord and blocking me again.
i made one comment which was a reply to someone. what was the comment in question?
it was me telling someone concerned... exactly what they did.
i then added joan on their new discord, they profusely apologized, added me back to the groups they banned me from, unblocked me and offered to make me a second song in addition to the original one i had commissioned. they also asked me to take down my post, which i ultimately decided to private.
they let me know they couldn't easily refund me because they don't have $180 in their bank account right now.
despite their unprofessional and rude behavior, i was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and accept the music. i'm in a rough spot too, but i don't want to make anyone's lives harder.
i shared the details of what i wanted for both theme songs and we shared some pleasant conversation.
a little later that night, joan asked me about some of my personal thoughts and fears regarding a mental disorder we both have and things that might happen further on in life. it being late at night and me feeling vulnerable, i was honest. they said they shared similar feelings, we talked about our experiences and i went to bed.
the next day they sent me art of some characters we both like, i made a silly comment about it, quick chat over
then, right before i went to bed, i see the tumblr notification that i've been removed from all the groups, and when i check.. i've been blocked again... i reach out to them on discord to ask about it and go to sleep.
i wake up to this:
i've been accused of ignoring them because i didn't respond to them while i was... sleeping.
they've now blocked me from this discord as well, so i reached out to them via email and this is the interaction we had.
my email:
and their response...
no further correspondence? no samples? this is absolutely ridiculous at this point.
this is no longer worth the music, i would like a payment plan to get my money back and i cannot possibly recommend getting a commission from joan after my experiences with them.
edit:
after making this post, joan has made (and since deleted) 3+ separate accounts accusing me of various forms of abuse.
it started as this:
and when i didn't respond, they edited it and began to spam this comment on all my recent posts:
when people reached out to the accounts given to get the alleged proof, they were promptly blocked. (which i found out via multiple asks sent to me which are posted on my blog [ask 1] [ask 2])
there is more information about this in the relevant tags on my blog, but be warned that as of 08/21/25 they are still spamming these messages to anyone who will listen while providing 0 evidence for these horrifying accusations.
so in conclusion, if you post about your negative experiences with joan they will do everything in their power to discredit you and will harass you and anyone even vaguely in your proximity. i would block them and avoid interaction for your mental wellbeing.
i sincerely apologize to everyone who's gotten wrapped up in this mess, i never intended to start drama; just thought people should know they're an unreliable commission taker :/
timeline of events regarding the joan (@/archivedstein) (flapjackstein, latkestein, hallahstein, bilntzestein, etc) drama as someone whos been keeping an eye on it for Months:
-august 2023, @verydeeplyconcerned made a post calling joan (latkestein at the time) out for grooming and harassment. this flew under Most People's Radars until earlier this year (most of which found it a few days ago, myself included)
-2024, i don't have specific dates or accounts for this, but there are at least a few posts circulating from various points in 2024 regarding people being blocked randomly by joan, some of whom paid for commissions they never got
-march 2025, joan reaches out to people asking for commissions, some of whom are random people whove never heard of her before, whom she then says some nasty things to and blocks
-march 2025, she comes to Me asking for commissions. i have no spare money but i send over $10 anyway because i want to help someone i, at the time, thought of as a friend, even if it was only a little
-may-june 2025, i realize joan has blocked me. im not sure when, but my guess is pretty soon after i sent them money. this is upsetting and i do some digging through tumblr to see if i can find any answers and stumble upon posts from march, but none of the previous incidents yet
-july 2025, i stumble on the blog @archivestein (of which i am now blocked by) (not to be confused with archivedstein, with a d) who claimed to be a mutual of joans and whos pinned post at the time said something about "preserving someone who meant a lot to a lot of people. if youve been blocked by joan, it isnt your fault, but i dont have the right to speak on details." this pinned post has since been deleted in the past few days, and the blog has been taken down and put back up a few times. i followed the blog and kept an eye on it now and then. additional note, the archive blog has been up and posting since january 31, 2025. coincidentally, thats also the date of the first post of 2025 regarding joans odd behavior
-august 2025, a week or so ago. i made an alt account in order to send joan an ask that was basically along the lines of "hey, i dont know why you disappeared or whats happened, but i hope youre doing okay and i miss you." my alt account is immediately blocked and her asks were turned off. the archive blog made a post a few hours later including a screenshot of her blog, with a changed layout declaring "PURGE IN PROGRESS" and a caption like "i dont know whats going on here, but i hope it will pass"
-august 2025, a few days later, a mutual of mine dms me to say theyve been blocked by the archive blog and dont know why. i say thats weird and go to check, only to find the archive blog had been taken down. i go search tumblr and find a post by @/turntechpotthead (here) from only a few hours prior at the time about their history with being scammed by joan
-everything has since exploded. more people have come forward with more of their own stories over the last four days, and joans army of alt accounts has been starting a smear campaign against anyone who dares to speak up against her. it's a desperate, childish ploy to redirect blame and attention away from herself and onto those who bring information to light. i think that's more or less all the information i have currently, sans some smaller details.
regarding joan (archivedstein; [pancake/bread reference]stein)
they had been policing me on how i post or what i post on my blog and claimed that i cluttered the homestuck tag with stuff they personally didn’t like apparently enough times to warrant a block from them 🤥 which is funny because im like crazy organized abt tagging properly on here…
anyway this was joan’s last message to me and i also used it to quit a job bc it was so funny
Hey if anyone ever gets a message from @/archivedstein asking if you want a music commission, I recommend you don't work with them. I was having a good time working out commission details with them...
...when they suddenly blocked me for not answering for three days. Over a weekend. In August.
I work at a university and our first day of classes was yesterday. My creative partner was unpacking from moving and unable to help me put together materials. Again, they were the one who approached ME, and then suddenly imposed an arbitrary deadline on me with no warning. It's rude, unacceptable, and deeply hurtful. I even tried to reach out on Bandcamp...
...And received THE RUDEST REPLY.
I couldn't even respond to that because they had blocked my email as well.
How does anyone expect to do any business at all like this??? Completely ridiculous.
Anyway yeah. Just wanted to maybe prevent anyone else from getting baited and then rudely abandoned like I did. Spread the word.
@archivedstein @jadeofspace @pancakestain @juneofbreath since you seem so keen on covering anything up less than an hour after its posted in your tags, ill remind you that this isnt going away. you made it go away last time. you arent going to again.
joan stein, you stole from disabled, poc, queer, and DYING people to fund your life. you use your emotional state to manipulate people. you openly mocked palestinians for asking for aid online and called them scammers. you are lying and hiding behind obvious alt accounts now that people are rightfully coming down on you for your actions.
you stepped a little too far in this time, joan. and the current of people youve hurt are going to sweep you under
