We talk metal production...
Hi Jb. Tell us a little bit about yourself, who are you and what do you do?
I'm John Bart van der wal, I'm from the north of Holland, I play/played guitar and bass in bands like Aborted, Herder, Leaves Eyes, Atrocity and DrDoom, and wrote music for a bunch of others.
Next to that I record/produce/mix and master, albums for both a lot of dutch and international bands. And whenever I have time, I work as a Front of House (FOH) and Monitor Engineer for a selection of bands as well. I recently did a DragonForce/Huntress/Kissin Dynamite tour some time ago as FOH, and at the moment I'm working for a dutch band called Kensington.
You play bass for death metal band 'Aborted' who are currently signed to Century Media. How did you get into music?
I started playing bass when I was 15 or so, got kicked out of both the bands I was in at the time, so that started out well! Then got a grindcore band called DrDoom which did fairly well within that scene I guess. From there I got a call from Sven from Aborted who needed a bassplayer mid tour in 2008/9. I jumped on that, played some awesome shows, and from there on I got more calls for other bands as well, which kinda brings me to where I am today.
You are into your production, how did this occur? Do you think it was natural progression from being a musician and wanting to record your own music? Or has it always been something you were interested in?
As kids we recorded our own farts on a tapedeck, and listening to what I record now it hasn't changed much actually haha, so that just gradually took a more profitable turn for the best, I can make my living of it anyway.
I didn't like what most other people in my area did recording wise, so I started of doing it myself (except for the Aborted record I co-wrote). Slowly but surely I took an education in music production and the first year I had spent more hours on school than most teachers. After, I got a bunch of job offers and spent way to little time there haha.
You are set to tackle the production duties on the upcoming 'Aborted' record . How are you feeling about taking the helm?
We're not sure yet if were doing this, but we already did the drums for System Divide's (Aborted members) full length album a few weeks ago, and with the vocal recordings from sven (aborted), for Dirk Verbeuren (Soilwork, ex aborted) his grindcore project and this went perfect. We're still unsure what to do since you can also be a bit biased if you write songs and record them as well.
Any tips on metal production?
Even though I don't like triggering myself, and don't do it when I can help it, I'd recommend recording triggers as it's a helpful tool when triggering, and gating and the obvious recording of D.I's in case you want/need to re-amp.
Also recording drums and guitars first, then fit in bass later, sound wise this works out way better for me then going for the usual drums>bass>guitar>vox. It's not common to record roommics on drums for metal stuff, but I found it glues a kit together way better in the mix (for fast stuff a m/s or blumlein at knee hight works well). Also cymbals tend to get a more nice, natural decay/tone, and it helps toms. A far away left right with ribbons or omni's (I like the cheap meassurement mics for this) usually only works for slow stoner stuff, and is useless for fast, blasting stuff. Even then it's cool to use it on the rare slow stuff to kinda break the (usually) monotone sound of metal records. A ribbon on top of a Shure SM7 can be good to add some more life to vocals.
I try to do as much as I can to atleast give some life to the full on compressed and limited wave form that is your typicall metal track. Which also means alot of automation whenever I can, mostly on overheads, guitars and some vocals. Most people don't believe in automation in metal, but I try to get some in whenever it fits.
What's your stance on triggered drums in metal music? Necessary?
Some music only works with triggers, I wouldn't like to play without triggers live when playing with Aborted (with whom we only trigger kick, live and studio). Ken Bedene of Aborted is a insanely good drummer, but still there is no way 16ths on 250/260 bpm, on a single bass drum and miked up will give a sound direct enough even after EQ, that will make for a solid basis for FOH or monitors. For some parts of the metal genre it's just part of the sound, just as I can't or wouldnt want to play stoner rock without a Les Paul, fuzz and SUNN amp.
That being said, it IS being overused though. I get too many bands and drummers asking for a fix in the mix and asking why I can't make their tom rolls sound tighter with over triggering and in the process making it sound like a drumcomputer (or a bag of popcorn in the microwave). Making you wonder why they didn't ask you to program it to begin with...
You are also in 'stoner rock' band Herder. Quite a stark contrast from playing death metal. Do you find it easy to switch between the two mind frames?
Oh totally, when playing way too intense riffs on bass at 250 bpm and really getting that as tight as you can while still giving a good show, it's great to go back to the other discipline. It's great to just lay down a simple riff with a ton of groove with Herder and it's more based on tone. Playing for both bands enhances my playing, its great. The most fun switch is the gear one though, we're all intense 70's guitar gear nerds in Herder with a ton of Soundcity, SUNN and old Ampeg/Marshall amps and full stacking that and hitting the first chord is great. Playing more current gear with Aborted means it also breaks down way less then the old stuff though.
Recording is way different as well, no triggers and little room mic with Aborted versus sometimes only room mics on drums with Herder.
What gear is currently exciting you?
The Microtubes B3K bass overdrive/distortion from a great Finnish company called Darkglass Electronics (that i just got an endorsement from).
Alex webster from cannibal corpse recommended me this pedal, and it goes from a bit of grit, to full on, oiltanker dragged over concrete by mammoths during a snowstorm in Alaska bass sounds!! The harmonics it adds to the sound in both type of settings is awesome. Both in the studio and live with Aborted last weekend in Russia and some fests we played, it worked really well! Also the Heill Mics we use with Kensington live, the Pr30 and Pr40 are nuts too, buying some soon!
You own an Audient ASP008 8- channel microphone preamplifier, what made you buy the 008?
Back when I was still in "AE school", I had to use a various preamp's for drums and I felt they were missing all kinds of depth and tone. So I rented a ASP008 and A/Bd it with the previous pre's on all drum kettles, and the differences were far from funny. Toms alone went from flat sounding and unEQable afterwards, to a totally shapeable, way punchier and more realistic representation of the tom sound.
How are you finding it? What's your favourite use for it?
I can blindly run most drums through it, and my favourite is still having it on toms actually, but also the DI in on the first 2 channels are perfect. Most DI signals for re-amping afterwards go through the ASP008. The new Bent Sea vocals were SM7b with the Audient ASP008.
Thanks JB!
Thanks for reading.
Andy @ Audient
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