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What would Charlie do with the sinners who are beyond help?

Theories with Fizzie: What would happen to those beyond redemption?

Ok, so this is actually a really good question! Personally, I really think Charlie would want to believe that anyone is beyond help and she would end up holding onto hope and trying to help them until she realized that someone was actively trying to sabotage other residents of the hotel to keep them from bettering themselves and ultimately getting their own chance at redemption...... But I also don't like enforcing that type of naive little princess persona with her because while the princess is young and does want to see the best in every soul, sinner, and situation, Charlie is far from the picture of pure naivety that I've see people paint her as before. Does she want to believe that everyone is capable of changing for the better? Yes.... But does she also know that realistically she cannot save them all? Also yes. I think once she realizes that redemption is actually achievable and not just the pipe dream a lot of others have made it out to be, she will fight really hard for every sinner who wants to give it a shot.... But I also don't think she would stand for people coming into the hotel and essentially using it the way Angel was in the beginning because I think sinners coming into the hotel and just taking up space would take that space from someone who may genuinely want to put in the work, and it may end up making it more difficult for the hotel guests who are trying to not slip back into a space they've worked to get themselves out of (don't come for me, I do recognize and love the fact that while he may have started at the hotel just for a place to sleep away from his contract, he does genuinely value the hotel and all he's gained from it up till this point in the series..... But if we're real, Angel wasn't really big on the idea of redemption or betterment in the beginning and it shows.).

I think because of her friends (the main Hazbin Cast we've been introduced to so far), Charlie would try to overlook the fact that some people could be taking advantage of the hotel and what it's been created to do for a while because she would recognize that it did take everyone some time to truly come around to the idea of betterment, and she would want to give everyone a sort of grace period like that.... But I also believe that she would come around to putting some precautions eventually to try to weed out those who were serious about the program the hotel is trying to adapt. I do think that whatever she tried to put in place would be as gentle as possible, so something like a check-in application and then progress questionnaires every few weeks a soul stays checked in just to see whether or not the sinner in question is truly progressing/trying, and after a certain amount of time, those who don't seem to be showing any signs of even wanting to try would unfortunately be cut from the program and given a timeline on when they would be eligible to come back and possibly try again if/when they had a change of heart on the matter............... Now, that being said, I also think that Charlie would have one other way to deal with sinners who she truly believed to have absolutely zero chance of redemption...

With her overall gentle, caring nature, there are some things that I could see Charlie not letting fly at the hotel, the biggest one being the safety of others being put at risk unnecessarily (think how Alastor threatens Husk/how Valentino treats Angel). While people like this can be very charming and put on a very nice little show for those around them, I do think that Charlie would become very good at picking up on the energy they put out and the energy that they seem to take in from how uncomfortable they make those around them, and for people like that, I think she would eventually begin weeding out those who were truly incapable of redemption on levels like those and she would have a system in place that could also put the war between Heaven and Hell to rest for a while. Picture it.... A handwritten list of souls so cruel that the "inside every demon is a rainbow" advocate would be ok with the Exorcists coming down and eradicating them. Granted, I don't think this idea would be thrown out there by Charlie (I personally think this would be something Lucifer would actually end up half jokingly spit balling at some point), but I do think that Charlie would eventually use it as a bargaining chip with the council of Heaven to try to help break the tension after the battle that resulted in the deaths of many Heaven sent soldiers, as well as keeping the peace between the civilizations for a while at least.

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The Y-7 Psychopath - Cowardice or Humility

Don't know if anybody cares about some juvenile "media analysis" from me, but why not, especially on a idea I had in my mind, and finally think it is prudent to put it out there, to see how people feel about it.

So you know western cartoons? And Im not talking about "adult animated sitcoms" or the recent surge of "totally mature and bloody!!!" cartoons that in the end are the same juvenile superhero stuff lol just with exploding heads and awkward animated sex scenes lol.

Yeah, just the standard cartoons that people get really insecure about liking, and make video essays about how "actually it is a masterpiece of mature writting". But instead of me mocking this fact to try to hide my own anxiety over being somebody who makes a fanfic comic, lets go with this

So lets circle back to the title of this "essay" - and start with an example - Everybody loves Zuko from Avatar, I watched the show as a kid, you did, probably kids today do it when all their influencer idols force them too.

Perfect for exploring the point then: And that is the point, people claim how realistic and satisfieng Zuko's arc is, how the redemption is both earned and not without hurdles, not without fallbacks. So where is the issue?

Well I remember sometimes smugly thinking "Well what a coincidence that Zuko never actually on screen killed anyone so he never is really a bad guy...' And this I interpreted to be mostly the case of the rating - basically without the restriction the show would probably include Zuko killing what is at best combatants of the defending side or at worst even civilians. And this would probably kinda derail the arc or leave a bad taste in everybodys mouth...

But the question is left unanswered - is it at the end better, that Zuko gets redemeed in a way that is setup to leave out this elephant out of the room? Hell even I felt kinda weirded out about how nonchalant everyone was about the fact that Zuko hired an assassin, like it was kinda played off for laughs, but maybe that was to show "see we are redeeming him without writting out realistic evils like murder!" - still there is a difference between killing civilians and hiring some copyright free terminator.

So no answer? Well maybe lets look at the opposite case - anime, the cartoons that can kinda go away with showing unscreen murder and atrocities. And to bring it back, lets go with Soul Eater (and no manga spoiler this time cause Im generous and because this would open another can of worms, and I'll save that for the future)

Everybodys favorite charachter that gets reduced to one trait that ironically would be kinda problematic if one really was thinking about it in a certain way - Crona. Also know for killing people who were pointed out to be "not evil enough for it to be ok©®™"

So here we have this charachter, with a whole arc of being abused, having the famous trauma™, doing bad because of a parental figure and wanting to make that figure happy even if its in a twisted way, not getting what real love is...

Basically Im saying Zuko and Crona share a lot of simmilarities looked at this surface level. But only Crona has the problematic aspect of "mass murder". And even I kinda felt it being pushed under the rug no matter how I'll defend Crona from slander on the net while being sick both in body and soul lol.

But here is the thing - atleast I see Crona (atleast in the anime) as mostly some kind of child soldier - I dont think anybody thinks that some african boy that was forced at gunpoint to snort coke and kill his parents while being abused all his life, is "guilty" of the crimes in a way that an adult who does it for a less extreme reason.

Still, even if for me that is mostly justification enough (even if I kinda problematise the whole guilt thing in my comic), I still get it - even if explained it still leaves a bad aftertaste

Like even the most goodhearthed person would probably be weirded out if the person next to them would go "Thank God I was saved, cause till I was 14, I was forced to go from village to village and shoot everyone that moved!". One can say neither person is really at fault yet still it is a sticky topic.

And maybe thats where Im going with this - the problem isnt about depicting the redemption or whatever of killers, but if a story is mature and "deep" enough to handle it. So with my Avatar example I think that in a back handed way, it was good that Zuko wasnt a killer - becaue even if everybody loves the show (I mostly do to, shit was fun) - its kinda clear that in the end the writting and themes etc were on a level of a kid show - enough for kids, but not complex enough to actually deal with some things that other works could (and not even talking about something being grimdark or complex, cause nah everybody hates DBZ but that shit was so.good everybody felt Vegeta turning good and dont make essays about how bad that was, anyways that is why DBZ is too complicated for most western fans💅💅💅 ((but thats a topic for another day))

So to come back to the Crona question - was Soul Eater really prepared to deal with the topic of mass killing inocent people (mostly)? Especially when Ohkubo says himself that it was "a show where death isnt taken seriously"?

Cause I think, with Cronas struggle being mostly about abuse, doing bad things because of parental abandonment, fear etc, was it really necessary to add this baggage? Especially with a show that has that many visual metaphors?

And one example that I would use kinda proves my point and maybe implys that Ohkubo also kinda started backpedalling - the second time we see Crona, there are no wannabe gangsters, just souls of already killed people by another kishinegg which is just a wacky bad guy who isnt even really alive himself (and eve. comically survives)

Basically what I'm entertaining, is if wouldnt have been better to have Crona absorb souls that other Kishinseggs had collected, in this way preserving that they do something wrong (but reversible as later shown with the confiscation) yet never having to go to the extreme of "haha check out this wacky outfit our new friend Crona is wearing! Also twenty people were murdered in that church, shit was crazy"

But am I really basically saying 4kids Crona is the answer. Putting it this way lol, I dunno, I mean I like the pirate rap, but just sanitising everything seems off to me to. So yeah I dont even know.

And that is what leaves this whole question like the socratic dialogs, without any real answer with more confusion than before. But maybe it could "start a discussion" or whatever. But in case it was just a waste of time, without going anywhere:

Yeah... Sorry

Also quick manga spoilers as a bonus

This would aslo avoid making Cronas fate feel so cope-outish, cause that seemed to be the real reason - Ohkubo neither felt comfortable ignoring the whole message of overcoming fear and connecting no matter what, while also just saying that killing more people in Ukraine than in the last 2 years was just a big uppsie - hence the paradox of the non ending "I dont want to hurt. anybody, but actually I am evil.and care for Maka only or maybe Im just guiltu or maybe not and Im crazy xddd"

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