#clover rants

[melilotusclover]

Had a practice conversation with myself today while I took a shower. Came up with a quote.

Trauma doesn't pick genders so why should therapy?

[luckyclovercollective]

"Singlet is a slur" drama is really. Really goofy to me forever and always oh my god.

Sorry you aren't part of a group of people with particular experiences.

Sorry you apparently also don't understand the history and weight behind slurs and what makes a slur... a slur. You know you can just say you perceive the way you're being talked to as derogatory or even just mean spirited without it being a slur, right?

Sorry you don't feel included when people don't want to take the opinion of a stranger online who does not share their experiences.

Sorry a group has had bad experiences with those who again do not share their experiences or live the lives they do and that strife particularly involves that difference.

Do you also happen to be cisgender? Heterosexual? Allistic? Neurotypical? Egotypical? Able-bodied? Do you think people talking the same way they do with singlet with these is just as offensive? Do you think someone whose disabled is slinging slurs when they tell able-bodied people to shut up and sit down when it comes to certain topics of disability?

You can go ahead and go back to Twitter if you wanna be with the thin-skinned who whine about the terminology used to describe the difference between two groups. They'll Love you over there. ❤️

[cloverzluck]

I had to sit through Like half a Hour Of My Private german teacher Being homophobic and extremely Transphobic erm

My honest reaction

[cloverhighfive]

rant time

You know how ppl whine nobody reads their shit?

I will add: have you seen your masterlist? Do you even have a masterlist? (or are you one of those lucky fuckers that just type unidentified blocks of texts that get reblogged 500 times for reasons I still can’t understand - this is not for you)

I can’t count the times I went: I’m gonna give a little cheer to this author, I’m gonna go check out their stuff. Help them, you know? (I have no pull on this fucking website but hey I still try).

And then IF there is a masterlist, go and see... a list of titles. That’s it.

No word count. No warnings. No pairing. Nothing but titles. Or, a list of chapters, numbered or with titles. No idea what you’re getting into.

I ain’t got no time to click on a link, read all the stuff at the top (often NO word count again), go hell no, go back and repeat 30 times.

So.

I know I get squicked by the weirdest shit (masterlists that are in fact just lists), but that means instead of reading the one or 2 fics I’d love from your catalogue I read none of them. Cause after 2 or 3 nopes I go oh well, this person does not write the stuff I’m into and I close the page. Gone.

voilà.

feel free to give this post the usual 2 likes and maybe 1 reblog. 

[readandwritesilver]

look, i know theres a lot of discourse surrounding debbie as a character, but can we just suspend all of that for a moment to appreciate the contrast between her relationship with sandy and early-era gallavich???

i know they got, like, four minutes of screen time in s10. but there is still so much contrast between them and early gallavich that i could cry.

to start, it’s important to point out the similarities between debbie and ian themselves. i’m not going to go into their coming out arcs because the reveal of debbie’s sexuality makes me physically unwell, but if we’re just looking at them on their own in the time after said reveal, we see the same vulnerability. both times, we see a struggling queer kid from the south side that clearly wants to be proud, and succeeding a lot of the time, but, despite their wonderful family, hasn’t come from a great community and making questionable descions in bad moments. in both cases, we see them both (somewhat accidentally) end up in these nasty pseudo-sugar baby relationships during said moments (granted, ian was younger than debbie was, but not by that much). we see them both seeming fine, but an extreme vulnerability peeking through the cracks (debbies is mostly shown with the kelly story line, especially in her scene on the porch with carl, whereas ian’s is more of a sporadic thing, but its shown nonetheless)

but then they both end up striking up a relationship with a milkovich, very quickly after meeting them (ignoring the fact that ian and mickey most likely knew of eachother in some vague capacity pre-canon). and that’s where the contrast comes in.

their relationships have similar beginnings, in that they both begin with sex that effectively comes out of nowhere. but with gallavich, theres a very quick urge (on mickey’s part) to deny that there’s anything else to it (“kiss me and i’ll cut your fucking tongue out”) but sandy does the opposite. when debbie asks her about the previous night, she is not dismissive. they are interrupted by the fire and subsequent events, but sandy still lets debbie know, in a very milkovich way, that it wasn’t nothing. 

we also see a stark contrast in how they (namely sandy and mickey) treat the relationship with others. with gallavich, ian is the first to use the term boyfriend, and when ned refers to mickey as ian’s boyfriend, despite the fact that he’s followed them seemingly halfway across town to watch them from across the street, mickey beats the shit out of him in the middle of the street. sandy, however, uses the term girlfriend before debbie, and actually uses it when she punches julia, which is a situation that’s not dissimilar. we also see debbie and sandy dancing together at the wedding, and while i can’t think of a similar situation, i think we can all agree that mickey would never have allowed something even remotely similar between him and ian in the early seasons.

i’d like to be clear that i’m not bashing gallavich here, or calling them toxic, or anything else idiotic. i’m more trying to say that debbie and sandy are serving almost as some kind of “next gen” gallavich, and are getting, objectively, a much happier storyline than ian and mickey got, where they’re getting the freedom and safety that the two of them definitley did not have. i have a lot of issues with many of the more recent storylines on shameless (and as i said, everything surrounding debbies sexuality is very close to the top of that list) but i actually really like the direction they’re taking this.

it’s worth noting that sandy (at least at the point in time that we’re seeing her) also clearly doesn’t have nearly as many issues surrounding interanalized homophobia as mickey did in the beggining, where he was clearly struggling to accept himself until season five at the earliest (and even then, he still had a lot of progress to make) and sandy is already at the same point mickey is now, in season ten. obviously there are storytelling reasons for this, as sandy is a minor character thats involved in the lives of two characters that very much had their own thing going on this season, and it would be ridiculous to set up a full arc for her, but i like to think that the answer likely lies somewhere in her background. she clearly spent some time around terry, as refrences are made to her and mickey spending time together as kids, but we don’t know much about her upbringing outside of that. i can’t imagine terry has particualrly unique opinions in his family, and the line “welcome to the south side” that she says to julia implies that she probably grew up not to too far from her cousins, but i like to think that, by some circumstance other than plot convenience, she’s just grown up a little more secure than mickey did (which, again, is not his fault. he is a victim of repeated abuse and general shitty parenting. this is not testiment to either of their character)

TL;DR: sandy and debbie are effectively getting the sweet, healthy relationship that ian and mickey (through no fault of their own) didn’t get to have in the beggining, and i love to see it (and sincerely hope that the shameless writers don’t fuck this one up)

[travelingthemultiverse]

To all those who think they are mistakes

Wanna know what else was a mistake?

Chocolate chip cookies.

Even mistakes can be wonderful in the end

[readandwritesilver]

thinking about how in 3.08 mickey goes with his brothers to threaten patrick despite everything going on with ian. yeah mandy supposedly gets her brothers to go talk to him but are you really going to tell me mickey would have gone and done something for this family that (as far as she, and all of the other gallaghers except lip and ian are concerned) he barely knows just because she asks him to? no way. hes on the outs with ian and somewhere on his way to being engaged to a pregnant svetlana (and im assuming that, thanks to terry, it wasnt exactly a drawn-out process, so theres a reasonable chance theyre already engaged at this point) but he still goes to threaten this guy that is messing with not only ian, but his family, no questions asked. just shows up in his garage with his (gun carrying) cousins and a bat and tells him to back off the house. despite the fact that hes clearly working very hard to act like he doesnt give two shits about ian & to ignore him he still protects him in a HEARTBEAT. besides the fact that hes potentially still on probation (i dont know anything abt the us legal system and yknow. shameless timelines) and even if he isnt, has an (im assuming) extensive criminal record and would be arrested without a second thought if patrick called the cops (besides the fact that hes most likely 18+ here and would be tried as an adult !!!!)

[readandwritesilver]

the suffers enrage me SO MUCH.

because theyve created this show (and so much of the deliberate symbolism is very well done ill give them that) but like theyve created this masterful queer-coding and theyre so disturbingly unaware of it.

it drives me up the fucking WALL the analyses that people write of mike/will/anyone else and their queer potential and that duffers just Do Not See It. like if maya and joe hadnt pushed for robin to be gay i genuinely believe they would have just never had a queer character (or they would have pulled out like. that girl from the snowball in s2 and had her kissing a girl in the background of four frames of the finale and been like look guys!! we cured home of phobia!!)

if they actually make a member of the main cast (yeah robin is technically main cast but like. yknow what i mean) i will go off the shits. like if they actually pull it off. make all of these references all of these metaphors all of the parallels worth it and actually make what would be PHENOMENAL writing were it intentional (in that part of that storyline not the rest of the show) pay off i will take back every bad thing ive said about this show not even kidding.