The Clovers

Lucky Clover Collective/Clover(s) - It/They - 20

[luckyclovercollective]

!! Help me cover the cost of getting a mobility aid !!

☘︎ Lucky Clover Collective ☘︎

-> aka Clovers, or alter specific names

It/Its or They/Them, unless specified otherwise

Adult (20)

Our beloved 🤍 @sky-forest-inn

Queer / Disabled / Alterhuman

OSDD system (questioning DID)

System inclusionist, forever and always!

☘︎

-> Okay to use terminology:

We/Us and I/Me are used interchangeably with no preference between plural or singular when referred to.

System, collective and plural are all fine to use.

Alters or parts, headmates is okay but not preferred.

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-> About our system:

We consider ourselves an adaptive mixed origin system. We do not see our plurality as inherently disabling or disordered, but we are impacted by other disorders.

Our system was formed from severe, lasting childhood abuse and trauma. This impacts our entire system, and we prefer to use adaptive over traumagenic.

Not all alters are entirely adaptive, with some alters being created or spontaneous in origin.

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-> Interacting:

Syscourse brought to our account will be blocked, only exceptions to this are if we engage first.

I'm always happy to answer personal questions or help where able, I love helping people find niche plural terms to describe their experiences! (I also just really like talking about myself.)

Do not feel afraid to correct me on information if I happen to get something wrong, I am willing to learn and would prefer to expand my knowledge and views. (Honestly wouldn't complain about facts being dropped in my inbox just because anyway!)

We have no particular DNI but will block freely as seen fit or necessary.

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-> Are you the same Lucky Clover Collective from awhile back? What happened?

Yes, it's me again if anyone remembers me, with a new sideblog after the deletion of the last. More details and updates under the cut-

We ended up deleting our past blog after vehement and relentless harassment from a specific user. It was a last ditch effort to get it to stop so I could finally distance and feel safe, this experience was awful and severely triggered our paranoia in a way that still lingers. Someone misused my trust and deliberately hurt me with it.

I have no intention to return to syscourse, I've checked the tag every once in awhile and... it's really just the same monotonous and boring debates and arguments from before I left. I loved debating, I loved talking about personal experiences and hearing others! But I think it's better for me to keep away from syscourse now.

In the time we've been gone, we've had some developments and realizations about our system, and I think there's still a lot for us to learn about ourselves. It does have us questioning if DID may be more fitting than we thought... but it's hard to feel safe calling ourselves a DID system still.

I hope to focus on just posting about us, and art, and positivity, and just... stuff about being plural at all.

I am doing better, admittedly I'm hesitant to return, but I miss having a dedicated space for our system.

To all the wonderful people I was able to meet before and those who offered support and kind words during our struggles, thank you. It meant the world during everything that had happened.

[granulesofsand]

Plural is an opt-in label. It means more than one. The minimum count is 1*, not even 2. The not-quite multiple are who plurality was meant to include. It’s not being overt or separate or amnestic or distressed that makes you(&) plural, because diagnosis is irrelevant and those are all criteria. Median and midcontinuum folk are as plural as anymany. Only you(&) get to decide whether you(&) count.

[baby-pink-paws]

(ID in alt text)

[mindnagerie]

A Drop in the Bucket.

[alteredpanel]

the first funeral

[positivitygenic]

a lack of new occurrences within your system does not make you or your system boring. you exist beyond the entertainment your system could possibly provide for someone else. you are doing just fine as you are.

[systemprojects]

I wanted to make an announcement since not everyone is aware! When you’re looking at alternatives, if you ever see an app including “replit.app” it’s created through AI prompts, using Replit Agent, and consequentially it’s often easy to breach user data and privacy, please stay safe!

[systemprojects]

⚠️ Disclaimer for the System Apps Orbit and Open Systems (Indigo)

Orbit is an app that was created using AI. The developer is very open about this choice, and refuses to recognise the danger of using AI for an app that manages not only private data but account information of those who use the app. You can find the tiktok page here to see which app, and the associated imagery, to avoid!

Open Systems, created by Indigo, was also created initially with AI, which has data concerns as mentioned above. Additionally Indigo has admitted — in a now deleted video — to being able to look at data of accounts, and will delete them upon detecting someone is an endogenic system. Regardless of stance on syscourse, this ability to access data to delete accounts is incredibly dangerous to privacy of anyone using the app. You can find the tiktok page here to see which app to avoid, and it’s associated maker and imagery.

[systemprojects]

System App Disclaimer ⚠️

Synergy is a new system app created by The Duck Pond System, through the usage of Base44.

Base44 is a website that creates websites through AI Prompts, and Synergy is openly created through AI Development and Vibe Coding. This is confirmed by the developer in the following images:

The first and second are statements in the discord, and the third comes from their promotional tumblr blog.

Please do not harass The Duck Pond or anyone involved in Synergy. They are very open about the app being AI Developed, are not attempting to deceive anyone, and are creating options to increase safety of people who choose to use Synergy. It’s only a warning for people who discover the app through secondary sources and don’t want to use an AI Developed App!

[systemprojects]

⚠️ App Disclaimer — Plural Space

This is an app created by TheHanyou, which has AI included in the development process, especially for debugging, though TheHanyou suggests this doesn’t create any security risk.

This has been openly admitted by the developer in this comment thread, images added below.

The masterthread for this app has been posted here, if you want any more information on the app, or any associated imagery to keep in mind. There is also a dedicated subreddit.

Please do not harass TheHanyou or anyone involved in the development of PluralSpace. Thank You!

[fractured-necrosis]

Don't use either of these platforms if you value yourself and your safety.

Orbit is open about using AI and doubles down no matter what if you point out how risky using AI for an app like this is.

Indigo on the other hand, made an eager post about the app they're developing, saying that they can look at your data and will very much delete your account if they find out you're an endo or find endo material in your account.

Remember that there are going to be people looking to take advantage of the fact there's very little for systems right now. Do your due diligence and make sure to do extensive research before using any platform claiming to be for systems, even if by a system.

[charmy-gr33n]

Sooo.... Uhm yeah how bout' that SimplyPlural? Hahaha.. Yeah.

Uhm. This is a bad start to my post lol.

If you're someone, like us, who prefers to not use the alternatives (Octocon, Ampersand) and would LIKE to use a spreadsheet but don't have an idea or the like on where to start with it/just want a template to make it a liiiittle bit easier to get stuff documented elsewhere... And you also want some form of rudimentary documentation of fronting, well I used my (very very VERY admittedly rusty (it's been a full fucking decade since I've had to properly delve into spreadsheets...) skills) effort or what have you to make a sort of quick-and-dirty template.

It's not perfect, most likely. Because I, again, have not used spreadsheets personally in a decade... But something is better than nothing, yeah?

Below is what our front spreadsheet looks like, as well as a very basic overview of our processes info. I used myself as example along with some default placeholder text.

(Please don't mind that we use the word process, that is what our headmates or other system members are called.)

And here is what the blank spreadsheets will come as, that you can customize if you like.

Below the cut are a few images/explainations of how we did some things for customization if anyone struggles with that stuff. I know we do and it took a hot second to refresh ^^;;

System Stuff Public Copy

To make the columns a different color, you just select a column, then click the paint bucket tool on the topbar, and select a color you like.

We chose a pink, as our main colors are pink & black.

To change the colors of the pronouns, or add/remove pronouns in this field, you want to click the little arrow in the row indicated by the bright blue box. Once you do, the dropdown menu in the example photo will pop up. To access the ability to edit the pronouns & the like, you will click the pen in the highlighted orange box.

Once you do, you will see this show up on the right of your screen (if you are on PC)

Clicking the colored swatches next to the fields will let you change the color, and typing in the boxes will let you change the pronouns. You can add or remove as many pronouns as you like with this.

If you wish to use icons/images for your members, you will want to click the button at the top labeled "Insert" (make sure you are selected on the row you want to insert the image on!!)

When highlighted over, the "Image" option, you'll want to use "Insert image in cell" to get it in the row you want. Once you do, you will have the option to upload from your PC/photos or use a link from wherever you go to host your icons (Imgur, Catbox, ect)

That SHOULD be everything... If I missed something please yell at us and we will try our best to help /genuine.

[found-few]

With octocon shutting down soon too i will say this,

Did you like octocon for its ability to share with freinds? If so i reccomend;

Fronters.cc (link)

Displays your front on pk and the discontinued simply plural. Private fronters arent shown.

Want to change pk front more easily?

Perfect pk (link)

Want a seperate app/website that ( optionally) will sync to pk and change front too, but also adds the feature of using custom fields?

Ourcana (link)

App downloads are on the discord but if you dont want an app you can use the website! I quite like it

ALSO if you dont like pk ourcana doesnt need pk to function.

Hivemind (link) is pretty awesome, has a subsystem feature, and is similar to ampersand + offline only

Ampersand is also really good!

Anyway most of these are discord centric except for hivemind and ampersand, but i thought it was worth sharing despite discords major issues

EDIT; this document has alot more resources (Link)

[finnxyl67]

SimplyPlural & It’s Discontinuation (& What To Do)

EDIT: will be chronically edited, please keep checking back for updates. last updated: 3/9/2026

A Brief Summary on the Discontinuation so some of you may have already heard that SimplyPlural is getting discontinued, meaning the creator is simply going to stop working on it for their own sake to focus on life things (absolutely valid), you can read more about it on Apparylis’ post here

i would like to put out there the servers are not instantly getting shut, in fact the shutdown is not until June 1st 2026. Until then, SP is still usable... the bad part is, once SimplyPlural shuts down, all avatars and data get wiped, and paying for SimplyPlural+ will not keep any servers up.

That was a misunderstanding I had when I first read into the article, rereading it and looking into it made me realize that the subscription plan they have have nothing to do with the shutdown nor will save it.

That's my fault for making this post declaring it did when it hadn't, but I have fixed it and I please ask everybody to spread word about it.

Octocon is very fishy despite it may be the closest replacement. before i get into the alternatives, i want to make a quick headsup that Octocon's TOS has a lot of red flags pointed out by a friend of ours in another server.

From what I remember, the developers have stated that they won't gatekeep the app but it is focused on traumagenic systems. On either their community or support Discord server (I can't remember, sorry) there's a rule against talking about or spreading 'pro-endo beliefs' (whatever that means). I unfortunately don't have screenshots but you can check if you'd really like to

We reserve the right to temporarily disable your account if your usage significantly exceeds the average usage of other users of the Services. Of course, we’ll reach out to the account owner before taking any action except in rare cases where the level of use may negatively impact the performance of the Service for other users.

even for the anti-endo systems, they should take into consideration that, and minus Octocon's anti-endo claims, is that they're very unprofessional in general and it shines into their TOS. /info

Ok, so what are the alternatives besides Octocon? well i did some digging, and it might sound disappointing but this is what i found:

IOS and Android:

TwiNote

a fake Twitter app where you make “tweets” that are just basically making notes and upon reading reviews a lot of systems/plurals actually use it and from what i gathered multiple accounts can be made on it. not exactly a front-tracking thing like SP was, but can probably be used for logging it. albeit the app wasn’t specifically designed in mind for systems, it can definitely be used as one

Notes

yeah i know this sounds kind of odd to put here, but honestly if your storage allows it, internal chatting and logging who fronts who stopped fronting, basically like a personal journal

Android Only:

Ampersand is also a newer one that has front logs and supports markdown like simplyplural! however it is an offline app so your friends cannot access information and it does not offer the permanent notification like simplyplural.

Update: Ampersand just declared that they're going on Hiatus, you can read more about that here.

Stoat (also on any computer*)

if people are specifically avoiding discord because of the age verification that’s rolling like 5 months away, there is also Stoat which has Revoltkit. Stoat is basically 2015 discord Cons: - you have to restart it just to see your profile or status update - has VERY few public servers. only one Discoverable server for plural community. - its boring to use if none of your friends use Stoat often. - Stoat is generally very buggy but they plan to fix that - not sure about Revolt's front-tracking system.

All Device Friendly:

Discord [Pluralkit, Tupperbox, and /plu/ral]. despite the age verification releases in the second half of the year (more about that here), there is a bot called Pluralkit you can use and actually use set whoever’s fronting and what not, along with Pluralkit having their own website however on that website you can’t set who’s fronting, you do that via discord. it’s also a great chatting app for anybody to use, and each alter can use “bots” to speak to others, which is really neat. you can put on your status who’s fronting and be able to talk to people. Tupperbox and /plu/ral are other bots alternatives to Pluralkit, but Tupperbox does not have features relating to fronting at all. Computer and Browser Only:

Fluxer [PluralFlux]

we just downloaded Fluxer on our Windows and it's actually way smoother then Stoat. It's a lot more like current Discord honestly, and their subscriptions for Plutonium (ripoff Nitro) is only just $5 a month or $50 a year? and it basically does everything and doesn't have the in-between plan?? that sounds pretty neat actually! only note is that it keeps glitching but everthing runs smoothly. obviously more underrated then discord so unlike Stoat, Fluxer doesn't have a discoverable server for anything Plural related. like at all.

there is a bot you can use called PluralFlux which works basically just like PluralKit. only issue is, and i quote:

If it's not running at the moment, it's because my computer crashed or something. I'm looking to move running it to a somewhat more permanent solution.

and right now it's down and i don't know how long it's going to be down but i really do hope they find that solution because this could be the backup plan for everyone migrating from Discord!

Websites:

Update: Lighthouse.com stopped acceping any new users. Wow. Pros: Have an account? Great, you can use that. Cons: Don't have an account? Lighthouse is not the option right now.

Utter

It's basically just an ephemeral offline version of PluralKit for chatting within the system. Chats are deleted if you reload the page but you can get alt text of them. It's pretty simplistic with minimal features but that's what we like about it. You can import information from Pluralkit or Tupperbox, and you can export information in a json format (what Pluralkit uses).

The Very Last Resort for now:

Google Docs

have everyone take a color or emoji, and start writing in there.

Libre Office / Obsidian

the offline alternative to google docs.

obsidian has a learning curve but it also has unique organization methods that might work better for some

System Journals

my friends keeps one, they doodle and write in their about what’s going on. might not be handwriting-effective for some :P

[luckyclovercollective]

I'd like to add another application to this list

AnyType

Much like Obsidian there is a learning curve, but AnyType does offer tutorial videos and has a community forum! Tons of freedom with organization and setting things up the way you want to. This also includes decorating! Has options for chats, storing links as bookmarks, task lists, creating templates, etc. Available on Mac, Windows, Linux, Android and iOS with cross-platform syncing. Works online AND offline All data is locally-stored on your device, free accounts receive the same data encryption by default.

I'm still working out some familiarity with it myself, but so far it has been really nice to work with and offers a lot of versatility I think people may appreciate.

[theconcordiaproject]

What is Concordia?

Concordia is a planned plural-focused app being developed through The Concordia Project.

The goal of Concordia is to provide tools that help plural systems organise and manage system information, similar to apps like Simply Plural. This may include things like system member profiles, front tracking, journals, switching notifications and internal messaging – as well as providing accessible information resources and communities.

Concordia is being created with the goal of providing a stable and sustainable platform for plural systems. Rather than relying on a single developer, the project aims to support development through a collaborative team structure, helping ensure the app can continue to grow and evolve over time.

The project also aims to maintain a neutral and welcoming approach. Concordia is intended to be syscourse-free and supportive of systems of all origins, as well as people who may wish to use the app for roleplay or character organisation purposes.

The long-term vision for Concordia is a transparent, community-informed platform designed to support the needs of plural systems while remaining reliable and adaptable as those needs change.

[pluralfluid]

Simply Plural discontinuation and limited server support, Octocon devs have made some suspicious decisions in the past and are trying to sweep it under the rug, Ampersand in continuation limbo. World is hell for the plurals rn.

[luckyclovercollective]

Not up to date with octocons stuff (given I've never really bothered to look into the app given... why it was made) is anyone able to explain?

[alteredpanel]

focus energy