yes, i don’t doubt she can be nice to ppl individually occasionally. i dont believe she’s an inherently awful person or anything. but after all the stories ppl have come forward with, and considering p much anyone whos seen frank in the last yr and a half knows her group and thinks poorly of them for the most part, has to say something about her and her friends. I know it’s impossible to control the pit at shows and personally, ive been hit and shoved and punched at shows and its fine, i can take it, but there’s always a certain point to me when ppl are pushing and shoving bc its a show and that’s what people do, and when ppl are doing it to intentionally hurt people. slapping phones out of hands, punching ppl to get to barrier, and being an asshole in general isn’t ok and i think they need to own up to that. it may be hard for them to realize or see, because i know someitmes its hard to change perspectives and reflect on your own behavior, but she literally has so many people messageing her and coming forward and recounting times shes been rude to them so its hard for me to understand how she can still think shes done no wrong