#crowboy discourse

[jacksmusesp5]

So apparently saying Goro was groomed into his role in literally any fucking capacity at all is “removing all autonomy” from him

Some galaxy brained takes today. Hi, did it ever occur that Goro can have all this rage, hate, and spiteful intent, that which initially forged his path towards Shido, but ALSO have a crippling sense of despair and entrapment that Shido played with? Because that is just as much, if not more relevant to his character.

There’s a reason why Goro’s sin is Despair. Acknowledging all the facets that feed into this is not fucking “reducing” his character to his mask. It’s understanding what makes the mask isn’t simply his most base motives.

[jacksmusesp5]

It seems as if the people suggesting that we’re ‘only seeing what we want to see’ are also seeing what they want to see in an ‘unrepentant Goro who definitely wasn’t lying to himself about his feelings’ regardless of what was made explicit

If you don’t want to see him redeemed personally that’s... your own business, but cut it out with this nonsense and check your blind spot bias once in a while

[jacksmusesp5]

Honestly I’m so tired of this. There’s no ‘either/or’ thing going on here, it really is not that simple. People love to act like others are “ignoring” nuance just because we dare to give Goro’s complicated situation a fucking inch at all.

It’s pointless to get riled up over but the sheer misrepresentation of the issue is straight up disgusting. Some of us may have made trips and falls trying to explain the matter but do not fucking act like this is “betrayal” of his character.

[jacksmusesp5]

“Would the fans be willing to excuse Kamoshida, Madarame, etc. if they were some twinky pretty boys with victim-of-circumstance backstories?”

...I think I aged another thirty years just reading this.

[jacksmusesp5]

oumanous replied to your post “So apparently saying Goro was groomed into his role in literally any...”

Also relevant: Institution kids like Goro can be 'lost' by caretakers in as little a year. Was he supposed to risk dying or joining the Yakuza anyway when his original plan wasn't to kill?

Yeah, really, if the choice is ‘go to your only family and person who can fill in as guarantor because no one else can or will’ and ‘possibly die in the streets alone unloved and helpless’ who wouldn’t pick the former. And people seem to expect an awful lot of cause-and-effect evaluation from a fifteen year old sunk in anger on top of that, when the average person out of the institution doesn’t know what a light switch is let alone how to navigate the world independently. Add that to the acquisition of a strange power no one else in the world had - according to Goro at the time - and it’s hard to imagine lines not blurring.

Just because Goro doesn’t spell out the ins and out of that situation doesn’t mean it’s not as important to his motives. And what’s more, his motive absolutely was not just his hate even setting aside this! This is spelled out by Cognitive with such absurd clarity. That his underlying motives and needs were the very strings Shido pulled and it’s reductionist at best to ignore that.

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softspokensansa replied to your post “Honestly I’m so tired of this. There’s no ‘either/or’ thing going on...”

there must be some kinda anti wasp nest kicked up because i got a SLEW of trolls today on my p5 sideblog. im guess there's shit going down in the tags again?

Mainly that confessions blog, and someone being awfully persistent (who I suspect is making counter-confessions and actively shutting people down when they so much as try to explain that they might be wrong, horror of horrors), trying to force the idea that Goro willingly committed murders with no significant caveat what-so-ever even though they have literally no confirmed proof of this and conflicting evidence out the backside. Whatever, I blocked them and the confessions because I suspect they’re going to be at it for some time.

[jacksmusesp5]

Goro is a perfectly cut diamond - pass it on~ ((and by that I mean, he's multi-faceted))

[jacksmusesp5]

I hate to jump on peoples’ tags like this but no, this is wrong. It is IMPLICIT, not EXPLICIT. ‘Explicit’ requires detail, with absolutely no room for doubts.

What you are given in Shido’s workroom as a ‘recollection’ is anything but. There is only an indication of Goro promoting himself as a user of a Persona power, but it is not explicit in what that power is, neither is it explicit on exactly how and when he reached Shido, and by what means.

In fact, every single bit of what you’ve just said is entirely implicit, and shows that you’ve missed the point of my post: that there’s no evidence to tell you exactly what Goro was even DOING with his Persona in the first place. Hell, if Goro even HAD the rampage power before Wakaba’s death, which was the subtext of my post.

What is EXPLICIT, however, is Shido’s hand in Goro’s use of the overall power. As stated by Shido’s own Shadow, and not *just* to Goro.

There really is no questioning that fact- it alone, is the reason why Goro is even an ‘Ace’ Detective in the first place, with as much popularity that he has. Not to mention this is extremely significant in a number of ways- especially considering Shido’s hand in Metaverse research.

The point is, if there are still gaps that are questionable - such as, how the contract was even secured in the first place - then no, that is absolutely not ‘explicit’ evidence. Especially when said ‘evidence’ is given in a way that is meant to mislead you in the first place.