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oumanous replied to your post “So apparently saying Goro was groomed into his role in literally any...”

Also relevant: Institution kids like Goro can be 'lost' by caretakers in as little a year. Was he supposed to risk dying or joining the Yakuza anyway when his original plan wasn't to kill?

Yeah, really, if the choice is ‘go to your only family and person who can fill in as guarantor because no one else can or will’ and ‘possibly die in the streets alone unloved and helpless’ who wouldn’t pick the former. And people seem to expect an awful lot of cause-and-effect evaluation from a fifteen year old sunk in anger on top of that, when the average person out of the institution doesn’t know what a light switch is let alone how to navigate the world independently. Add that to the acquisition of a strange power no one else in the world had - according to Goro at the time - and it’s hard to imagine lines not blurring.

Just because Goro doesn’t spell out the ins and out of that situation doesn’t mean it’s not as important to his motives. And what’s more, his motive absolutely was not just his hate even setting aside this! This is spelled out by Cognitive with such absurd clarity. That his underlying motives and needs were the very strings Shido pulled and it’s reductionist at best to ignore that.

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wolfiered23 replied to your post “oumanous replied to your photoset “This dragon just roasted Shuichi…”

Actually, this relates to something I heard on the radio: your first impression of someone is formed before you even say a word. So, people see Kaede and Shuichi as the protagonist and detective, their mind goes to the last protagonist and detective duo, Makoto and Kyouko. The same technique is used with Nagito and Ouma: you see Nagito, who looks like Makoto and whose name is an anagram of “Naegi Makoto da” and think “Makoto Naegi”. You see Ouma with his symbolism and don’t trust him, you see

Him interact with Kiibo and the constant message that he's a prankster and that's what you think

Interesting, isn't it?

Last note on this, but I also find it ironic that Nagito, who is mistrusted and disliked by MAJORITY OF THE FANDOM, is proven a reliable narrator. Kaede and Shuichi, who are trusted and liked by MAJORITY OF THE FANDOM, are proven to be the exact opposite.

oumanous replied to your post “oumanous replied to your photoset “This dragon just roasted Shuichi...”

Yeah, Ouma is an exceedingly clever lesson on not to let first impressions settle your curiosity...especially because the most famous seer of all time earned a reputation for being an insane liar when she WASN'T.

Right, and here’s the other interesting thing- Kaede’s impression that Ouma is ‘just a prankster child after attention’ is something that comes up early on and it’s NOT treated like a good thing. Ouma’s response to this thought process was to tell her if she kept it up, she would die. And lo and behold, she does. She also spends a good bit of the next FTE being dressed down for her illogical comments, and told that it’s because Ouma cares, that he’s doing that.

It’s easy to forget that impressions taken by the protagonist are just that, impressions. They don’t have a truly solid basis, and even a video that says ‘these guys commit laughable crimes’ is only the vaguest affirmation of this impression. Yet, it’s still amazingly powerful; it teaches you little, affirms the bias and gives shockingly little leeway to even question why his situation is what it is. We do not even get to verify his reputation, gee, I wonder why?

Speaking of the situation with Kaede and Shuichi being especially well-liked, it’s interesting how Kodaka went to pains to make both of them likeable, yet so flimsy in their perception. Ouma is made to be distrusted or otherwise disrespected and patronised, while Kodaka put the most work into his character, making him the most sharp and perceptive of anyone there.

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You know what would be darkly funny? If that was Kokichi's name and Tsumugi purposely brought up Kaede in a vain attempt to get Shuichi's attention.

Considering the fact that there was a clue which included the word ‘twins’, she could have mentioned that in order to make Shuichi connect these facts. Since Shuichi liked Kaede so much, she used that and mentioned she has a younger  twin sister. She couldn’t say openly to him to look for the name of Ouma’s twin in the list, since Monokuma observed them and probably she was afraid that she would be erased for telling too much... Shuichi disregarded her attempt to survive this game. She wanted to make him notice the real twin but he failed to do so... It can even be said that he indirectly killed her...

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oumanous replied to your post: 

^ It’s as if she learned nothing from the previous chapter…Not to mention, she’d be killing the WRONG person anyway.

And the funny thing is... they did choose the wrong person in the end! Puhuhu!

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Hi Neni! I don't believe anyone has asked this yet, but in your opinion do you think Namatame would have had a Palace in P5? If so what do you see happening if such a Palace's Treasure had been taken?

Oh, he definitely would have had one. He was deluded after all, and delusions of grandeur are precisely what turns a stronghold within Mementos into a Palace eventually. It probably would have been a fair bit different from the “Heaven” seen in P4, as that one probably arose as a combination of Namatame’s and Nanako’s emotions, mingling and creating something from the overlap between them, I think a purely Namatame-based world, would have focused more on his savior-complex and would have had more elements of Inaba in it. It would probably have stylized the town down to some kind of feckless, idealized peasant village, with Namatame as the great, amazing white-knight protecting it.

As for what taking a treasure from a place like that would have done, well, seeing how the treasures are effectively an aspect of one’s Shadow, removing it would definitely had an effect on Namatame’s Izanami-induced Persona abilities, maybe even removing them entirely. We can’t really know, but seeing how he only used them to drag people into the TV World anyway, I doubt he would have cared. 

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oumanous replied to your post “I’m getting super sick of people acting as if everyone’s got to think...”

Seriously, Shuichi is literally the sort of person I'd not want to interact with ever...he's exhausting and expects you to validate him while not caring much about whether you SHOULD be with him.

Right, it’s all lopsided. If anything, Shuichi’s the toxic one to reframe things the way he does; he gets all up in Ouma’s space, while not even nudging on most of the things he says in the first place. Like Ryoma says, he stops halfway as if he’s scared. Hey Ouma, you want to know how much you scare this boy just by existing? Well he’s going to show it by hanging around you with a proverbial bargepole. Unprompted.

In any event, there’s an acceptable need for validation and there’s hanging around to bleed it out of people. Jeez, what a fucking leech. [Wow, that was harsh even for me. Yikes]

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oumanous replied to your post “˜Shuichi is not obligated to take Ouma seriously because he played up...”

Kaede was nice to Shuichi and Shuichi made zero effort to attempt to clear her name so it's not a fucking valid excuse.

Right, Kaede was also relying on Shuichi to rein her in if she would go too far. Fat lot of good that did. And this is well before any of this shock business that people say factors in to how he treated Ouma in this scene. Doesn’t fucking wash when he’s been negligent the entire damn time.

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oumanous replied to your photoset “This dragon just roasted Shuichi whole”

One of the few pleasures of V3 is getting to dunk on Shuichi. Given that you'd have to expose the other Ouma to realize how terrible Shuichi is, it may be Kodaka totally intended it.

He totally did. We know Ryoma has a sense for the naiive, which was why he warned Kaede the way he did, too. More on that, [what Ryoma tells him here] is not horribly different to [what Ouma was trying to get at], either...