** the disclaimer still applies: donât fucking dogpile, donât harass using this as a springboard. furthermore, do NOT @ robin about this for fuckâs sake sheâs already taken far more than what was warranted and this is not about her **
@daciafelix, out of respect for robinâs request to lay things to rest, I will be speaking to you on a separate post here.
however, I will not be letting your replies on the post in question slide. Iâm very angry with you, and I want you to fucking know it. Iâll paste the three replies here.
1:
mirrorofprinces go back under the bridge please. Robin, you should ignore the trolls, they arenât solitary creature it seems. You apologized and you should move on. I am tired of seeing a good author beaten down by people who donât seem to understand how nonprofit fictional worlds work, not to mention reality. Dear âChinese diasporaâ , your trauma is real, attacking people is not the way to solve it. This type of attitude is what got Archiveofourown banned in China.
what the actual fuck was this? âDear âChinese diasporaââ? you have the audacity to tell us not to attack people while mocking us in the same goddamn breath? the lack of self-awareness that takes is stunning. congratulations for lowering the fucking bar once again!
perfunctorily saying that our âtrauma is realâ means nothing when the rest of your response dismisses us wholesale as âtrollsâ, insults our cultural identity -- one that we have repeatedly explained is a complex, difficult topic -- asserts that we have no grasp on the politics of fandom, that weâre delusional, and then!! has the fucking sanctimonious presumption to blame us for CCP censorship of AO3 in china. whether or not you intended any of that is irrelevant, because you still fucking said all of it and we still fucking heard it.
you donât know jack fucking shit about the 227 event and it shows. the lack of respect that you exhibited in this reply is unbelievable. I was fucking there when this went down, I cried for days. I watched my chinese friends having mental breakdowns in private forums, a chinese friend i had met literally two weeks prior on AO3 emailed me in dismay for what had happened -- this is someone who had been working up the courage to send me a message for literal months and we managed to exchange emails just before the firewall went up -- you donât understand, you canât understand the sort of devastation that was felt. if you did, you wouldnât have brought it up like this as a cudgel for sweeping our legitimate pain aside. blaming the victims for the acts of a violent and oppressive government is a fucking shitty look.
2:
Cloudyfromoobsession I have read it [*the chinese diaspora statement], it makes me really disappointed. They treat fan fiction as some deep existential writing, which is not necessarily wrong but they have to acknowledge that not everyone is divining the meaning of life in a mdzs fic or any other fandom. Transformative work as a principle is based in the exploration of alternative visions starting from a canonical point, there is no rule that fan fic needs to appease a certain portion of the fandom or even stay true to canon.
I see that you have shit reading comprehension as well! not to mention a seriously questionable philosophy on the responsibility of transformative work as a whole. once again, you mock our genuine efforts to express something very important to us by saying that not everyone is trying to âdivine the meaning of lifeâ from a fic -- we never once said that fandom wasnât supposed to be lighthearted and fun -- Iâm pretty sure we said the opposite in fact! I love that you think that our concerns are a matter of taking things too seriously! youâre basically just telling us hey, itâs not that deep! let it go!
why should i fucking have to let this go when so many people act like you and have in every sphere of my life from the time I was born? why should I continue to bite my tongue, smile and play nice? because itâs not convenient when the model minority kicks up a fuss?
âthere is no rule that fan fic needs to appease a certain portion of the fandom or even stay true to canon,â you say, like our race, identity, generational trauma, are just a matter of differing headcanons or taste. this isnât about fucking appeasement, itâs about human respect and compassion. no, thereâs no rule that all fic has to match anyoneâs personal taste, but there is a fucking expectation that fic, and any other creative endeavor in this community, has a responsibility to examine its own impact in context. how explicit must the harm be before you put your foot down? if the characters said âching chongâ and chinese diaspora shouted it down, would you still say, âwell, it doesnât have to appease youâ? âjust look awayâ? âbut I liked itâ?
tell me to ignore my own oppression again for your personal comfort, I fucking dare you.
3:
mirror, as the author has asked to put all this to rest I will not engage with you. Iâm well aware that Chinese censorship is a more complex issue and larger that a fandom spat, and yes it had nothing to do with chinese diaspora fans, it was the spirit of this type of âpoisoning the wellâ I was invoking.Limited word comments are not good for exhaustive discussion. But being rude and dismissive to someone who apologized(I mean the author) makes you an immature bully. Good day
funny how you think you can act like youâre taking the moral high ground by acting like youâre complying with robinâs wishes to âlay things to restâ when you ignored her requests to stop defending her twice with your asinine bullshit. if youâre going to act like youâve got the moral high ground, you better make damn fucking sure you actually have it.
I am going to give you. a sliver of the benefit of the doubt and try to believe that you didnât intentionally try to justify your sinophobia using a turn of phrase with antisemitic associations (one that was already discussed at length during the previous incident). I know that the history of âpoisoning the wellâ isnât terribly well-known, so this is just a reminder/to let you know that itâs a loaded phrase and should be used with caution, especially in a discussion that involves antisemitism.
in any case, youâve already demonstrated an incredible amount of ignorance regarding chinese politics, so I donât see any reason to believe that you are âwell awareâ of the complexity that underlies chinese censorship. the fact that you invoked it at all betrays how little sense you have of the history, how close it is, how much very real, terrifying harm has been wrought -- people love to use the CCP as a gotcha! to shut down or derail conversations about sinophobia. itâs an extremely common tactic, whether or not you realized it. do you all not realize that the people who suffer the most from an oppressive government are the people that live under its shadow? why is that so hard to grasp?
i have friends younger than me whose parents were close enough to tiananmen to hear the first shots ring out. the daughter of one of the photographers of tank man that snuck it out of the country is a year older than I am. my mother has been cautioning me for having political views since I was in middle school, citing the red guards of her generation and how they were manipulated and left to die by the CCP. I could tell you about shit that happened in my immediate family that would make your blood curdle. these stories are not unique or rare. keep that in mind the next time you want to whip out the CCP in an argument.
youâve stated that limited character replies arenât a good medium for discussion. fine. youâre welcome to pick this up in reblogs if you want. Iâve said my piece. good fucking day.
