So what are the chances that the Cas that died in front of Sam and Dean was actually the other world's Cas?
Hey dear! :)
I hope you don’t mind replying to your ask together with this one I received that is on this topic too:
It is pretty obvious that Castiel will be back for season 13 but if it is Jack that brings him back to life wouldn’t he also be able to bring his own mother back as well? Not only that but if he was powerful enough to create a rift before he was born he should easily be able to open one now that he is born and nearly full size it seems. I also thinks that it would be cool for Jack to get attached to Dean and Sam, that would piss off Lucifer so much!
Yes, even before Jared stumbled upon his words at JIB (I felt so bad for him in that moment, because you could tell how he was just excited to talk about the episode until he realized that he had unintentionally dropped a major spoiler) I guess most people were fairly certain that Cas wouldn’t be dead for good. Tbh I am still upset over the way they handled this bit of story, because it’s just pure shock value and another instance of death being meaningless on Supernatural. And with a character death like this one, with Cas’ wings torched into the ground, I personally feel it will be very hard and maybe impossible for the writers to come back from that without it being cheap. I had much preferred it if Cas had been locked away in the other dimension as well rather than killed, because like I said, I find it handled rather poorly and kind of dread whatever Dabb comes up with in how to get Castiel back.
I have been kicking different scenarios around in my head for the past couple of days regarding Cas with taking into account how Misha said at JIB 8 that Cas may be back, but transformed in some fashion.
The first possibility would of course be that either that Jack at first proves to not be all that creepy, but actually brings back Cas - the other person aside from his mother that he manipulated and mind controlled and one could argue maybe formed some sort of “bond” with and “cares” about, esepcially if he may be unable to bring back his mom. Could also be that Sam and Dean urge him to bring back Cas - I dislike both of these scenarios however, because it would further the absolute idiocy of killing Castiel of for pure shock value reasons and have him “fine again” three episodes later. They could have just left out Cas dying altogether then.
The second possibility that I personally think could be a route for them to go is that only Castiel’s angelic side died, but that Cas’ essence, his soul so to speak, for some weird reasons survived (possibly due to how Jack had dosed him up prior) - meaning we would get Human!Cas. Since I personally think it makes no other sense to wrap up Castiel’s arc than him becoming human, I would enjoy him as a human - BUT we had that arc already in S9 and even more problematic Cas then again wouldn’t have chosen to become human on his own accord, which to me is a vital and important part for Cas’ individuation arc. So that is why while I like Human!Cas, I am also not too happy with that option.
The third possibility that you mention, dear anon, about Jack being close t the Winchesters, is something I would find interesting in so far as of course it would mess most with Lucifer and would put Lucifer in his father’s shoes, but in reversal - having a rebellios son who sides with humanity. That said, I don’t really think they’ll make Jack a “good guy”, he may not be a total “villain” from the get go, but I think even if he may want to create a better world, it may be the means through which he wants to achieve them that will place him in the antagonist position. Plus: Of course we only got a glimpse of him, but to me he didn’t look all to chill, so I’d rather imagine him being pissed off about his father being locked up in another parallel universe - so he might not be the bestest friend of the Winchesters. Inay case however it seems clear that one arc of the next season will be that the Winchester may have to work with Jack, because he may be the only to either resurrect Cas or help them get to the other world for them to retrieve Mary - and I suppose then Jack may also want to get Lucifer back, which would bring us back to the start and more issues. Who knows, maybe over the course of the season Jack evolves and when they can get Mary back, he actually wants to keep his father locked up there, but yeah that’s all just random crazy thoughts.
And last but not least to your idea @deanarandi. :) To quote Jim Beaver: “Anything’s possible.” Though I have to admit the scenario I am currently finding the most interesting would be something a little different to this. I personally think it could be extremely interesting - while of course truly sad - if our Cas truly remained dead (I don’t actually think the show would do it, but bear with me here, in terms of storytelling and drama this could have a lot of potential) and that whenever Dean and Sam manage to enter the other world again they would cross paths with that Castiel. A Castiel who never met the Winchesters as they were never born in that world. It could be a way to bring a bit of S4 bamf!Castiel back, but it could also be a great set up of re-exploring Castiel as a character and how much of what makes him a “special case” is due to the Winchesters and how much may have come from within him already. I personally would find it very intriguing to see that other world’s Castiel meet them for the first time and how that would play out. I am probably the only one who would find this scenario compelling, but yeah, it could be a great way to delve into topics of identiy, but also a way for some sweet angst. It could be a great way to re-examine the character, fill it with new life.
And also, if you want to look at this with slight shipping goggles (which is not what interests me about this scenario, because I am more interested in Cas as a character by himself and the other characters by themselves and only after that in how they relate to one another, etc.) you could make this a slightly sappy but possibly sweet story about how even when world’s literally part them, that they’d find their way back to one another. Hell, they could even go with that other world’s Cas suddenly remembering things from the other world’s Cas’ mind - or, you know, the show finally does indeed answer the question where do angels go when they die? Since I don’t think they will introduce a third dimension aside from the greyland, I would assume that maybe angels don’t die, but get tossed from world to world not remembering their past lives - but of course with Cas that would be different than at some point. ;)
