I saw this on Pinterest and thought of you instantly. The way Captain Swan haters will take things out context to make them fit their narrative will forever astound me. It also makes me so happy to be a part of the Captain Swan fanbase, at least we don’t take shit completely out of context to make the show fit our headcanons.
Like you’ve pointed out in your other posts, they have no canon proof that Killian is an abuser so they have to either a) make it up or b) take things completely out of context to even come close to something resembling a coherent argument.
I think my favorite of these is the 5th one. That scene doesn’t even make sense with the quote they put it next to lol.
I have gone through each of these before because it's part of their "CS promotes rape culture" playbook but it's been a while so lets revisit some of these:
Picture 1 & 4: They always have to use Dark Hook but the true Killian Jones would never say that to the woman he loves! Dark Hook was literally consumed by darkness that was weaponizing his anger and thirst for revenge against him so that they could get him to do his bidding...
and part of what is fueling his anger is what Emma did. She went against his wishes and turned him into the thing he hated most! Not hating on Emma here... she too was fighting demons and we all know her fear of losing him runs deep. We all understand why she did it.
So yeah. This isn't Killian. This isn't the man that Emma is in love with. This is the darkness talking. Our Killian doesn't think or feel this way and never would've said it if not for the darkness. And the proof is in how he treats her before and after which is ALWAYS with words of encouragement, love and support.
Picture 2: This is when he jumps off the building to get her attention? Another thing they love to do is pretend this is a normal domestic situation between two normal people where a crisis of epic proportions is not going on... but they aren't normal people and there's a crisis going on and she is nowhere to be found! Seems to me if he was going to use suicide to prevent her from leaving he'd have done the same when she gave him back the ring? But he didn't.
Picture 3: They LOVE taking this one out of context. He’s talking about her walls. He’s happy she hasn’t completely walled her heart off again to where she doesn’t feel a thing. He’s happy she hasn’t completely retreated after all of the trauma she's been through. He never states that he thinks she is too broken for anyone else. If he did then he'd have been saying that when Neal was trying to get her back after his fiancé turned out to be a villain.
Picture 5: Yeah this makes 0 sense. She isn't seeking his approval? And he traded property to SAVE HER FAMILY ... he did not trade her? So that is a swing and miss. He didn't even use this as any kind of leverage either when he absolutely could have used it to try and sway her away from Neal. But he didn't. I believe he waited because he wanted her to see him for who he truly was first and because I think he was a little embarrassed by it! I mean look at his hesitation and the awkward smile on his face. He traded his home to get back to a woman he wasn't even sure felt the same way about him. That is a lot to put out there.
Picture 6: Again, like I said under Picture 2 this is not a normal domestic situation and they're trying to put a fairytale story that deals with magic, monsters and villains into a normal family drama... regardless, this is not a manipulation and he isn't using knowledge against her for selfish gain to get control over her. He is stating a fact. And he is right. And she is hiding something from him, and everyone else, and the entire town is in peril. He's trying to get her to let him in and break the cycle of trying to handle everything on her own. He only wants to help her. That is not abuse.
Conclusion: Abusers have a pattern and they use many different things to gain control over their victim for either power or personal gain. That is not happening between Emma and Killian. For one, you can't use Dark Hook when he's consumed by darkness because then you have to ignore the real Killian Jones who was the most supportive of Emma. And the rest is using, what would be in their case, normal disagreements as an indicator ... so every time a couple disagrees its abuse? No. It is not. And pulling out one instance where you have to manipulate the context is not an indication of a pattern either ... for every thing Hook may do wrong I can find you a 100 things he does right because again no one loves Emma Swan more than Killian Jones whose given his life for her and her family.
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how can you say youre an ugly duckiling and ship swan queen? why would ou want emma to be with the woman who ruined her entire life, tried t
I actually started reading this going “Ok, this is fine. I get it. I didn’t start shipping CaptainSwan either until I saw the change beginning in Killian Jones. And they acknowledge Regina is a villain like Hook is.”
However, I ended up going “oh, there it is, there’s the delusion!” And things went downhill from there!
“Because EMMA is my favourite character and i ship her with who ever makes her happiest. Right now that means i am most definitely anti captain swan and pro swan queen.”
But there was never a moment when Regina made Emma happier. In fact, there is not one scene of them being happy together because they are together (friendship wise- this doesn't even exist). Henry, Snow, David and Killian have all made Emma happy. There's more evidence of Emma being happy in her friendship with Elsa than Regina.
Regina was busy treating Emma like complete garbage all of Season 4 and even into Season 5. Which if you want to fanon up a happy SQ friendship … be my guest… but don’t pretend like this isn’t a bias showing through. Because it’s just canonically incorrect.
Killian Jones makes her the happiest.
“Why wouldnt i ship my favourite character with the woman knew Emma’s biggest regret was leaving henry and worked to make sure that regret never happened? Why wouldn’t i ship my favourite character with the woman who gave her the life she always wanted?”
If we’re acknowledging that their friendship has taken a turn at this point (canonically we're told this, I disagree with how it was written but it is canon) and we’re not calling S1-2 abuse signs of true love… OK we can be friends.
I disagree that Regina is doing any of this for Emma but I can acknowledge that this person’s perspective on this scene is legitimate.
I personally believe it was all for Henry and Regina loved self-pity so she got to turn herself into a victim (just look how she makes everything about her, the S3 curse, losing Henry her pain was worse, her struggles are worse even though Emma was literally cursed with darkness, Emma's death visions were about her etc etc). Or maybe it just rubs me the wrong way because she can’t for one second recognize that she’s the reason Snow is separated from her daughter AGAIN and the show just completely destroyed Henry’s character by having him say everyone was better off cursed if it meant Regina wasn’t hurting.
Also, pretty sure everyone, including Killian, knows that giving up Henry is Emma’s biggest regret. This isn’t rocket science or something that’s special to Regina.
“Why wouldn’t i ship my favourite character with the woman who gave her her happy ending?”
Except she didn't actually succeed. Emma was miserable and about to marry a monkey.
“How dare i ship my favourite character with this person. I obviously hate emma swan so much. How dare i ship emma with someone who constantly saves her, believes in her and is literally in hell for her? “
That is canonically not true. Regina doesn’t believe in Emma. Unless it's convenient for her to say so because she wants something. They use the scene where Regina wants Emma to save Robin from the wraith as an example but they leave off the part where Regina accuses Emma of being the cause.
And I would argue Regina isn’t in hell for Emma. Regina disappeared on Emma to save a horse and have a family reunion. She was there because all the real heroes were there. But again, if that’s the way you want to look at it fine.
But let’s not pretend that Killian Jones hasn’t done even more for Emma and it was because he truly loves her. He was the only one to never lose faith in her. And. He wasn’t doing it for hero status or for anyone else but Emma and her family.
This is also kind of a straw man argument on the part of Swen because the real issue is…. why would you ship Emma with a woman that constantly belittles her, puts her down, refuses to follow her lead… etc etc NEVER MIND all of the reasons that Regina is the reason Emma’s family was torn apart… a reason that Regina doesn’t regret.
This is part of a How They Treat Emma Comparison
Emma is their leader but someone never accepted that.
Regina refused to follow her leadersh
The above post is specific to how they follow Emma's lead but you can find so much more information in my Regina Vs Killian and how they treat Emma series.
“Instead i should ship her with a man who has tried to kill emma just as many times - the last time being like 4 episodes ago???”
No, you don’t have to. But while you claim “just four episodes ago” there is an issue here because there’s a big detail being left out: Killian was consumed by darkness. Regina never was.
This blog owner refuses to accept this detail but more on that below.
Also, correction: Regina has still tried to kill Emma and her family more times than any other character. Killian, when consumed by darkness, was a conduit for the dark ones so he's actually never tried to kill Emma and her family. That is not something he would ever want. He does too much to help Emma stay with her parents for this to even be a thing so it's obvious this is all the darkness' doing. Regina tried multiple times before Emma was born, as she was being born, before the first curse is broken in S1 (Emma's brakes, framing Snow, the apple, the tart) and after the curse (teaming up with Cora, the well, the kill switch).
"Regina wasn’t responsible for Neal leaving emma in prison - that was August and Neal.”
No one disputes this? No one blames Regina for this. Granted, Regina’s decision to cast the curse put all of these character’s in these situations but the choices they make are their own.
“Regina wasn’t responsible for the mess between Lily and Emma - that was Snow and Charming’”
This is a swing and a miss. This isn’t anyone’s fault but Lily and Emma’s. Emma has her own agency (as much as any character can have). She’s responsible for her choices and her actions. Not really sure why this is a big deal though. This is typical growing up behavior. I've never used this as a weapon against SwanQueen because it just doesn't hold water. IMHO. There's stronger arguments against the friendship than this... like why are we discussing this point right now?
Oh because they need to point fingers away from Regina and onto anyone else just like their queen does. Can't have Regina taking responsibility for her decisions!
"Regina wasn’t responsible for August leaving Emma in the foster home - that was August (and i know he was a child but still)"
I’d argue this one is a little more grey because neither child would be there if not for Regina’s curse or those that conspired to get August into the tree thus preventing Snow from going…. but August is just a child. This is not his fault either. So I don’t think it’s fair. I don’t think this specific thing is Regina’s fault… what is Regina’s fault is the Charming family being torn apart.
“Regina cast a curse but it was Snow and Charming that put emma in the wardrobe - not Regina”
And here it is! The Regina Apologist in this Swen has arisen!
No, luv, it is still Regina’s fault. The Charmings had no choice because Regina didn’t give them a choice. Regina would’ve killed Emma and everyone would’ve been cursed for eternity.
“Remember this? It’s rumple being taunted by your precious Killian. See because of situations like these, where rumple was so powerless against other people - other men like Hook - that he takes power wherever he can. Enter the dark one”
Sorry, luv, but no one forced Regina to cast the curse. She chose to do it. Her actions caused it. Therefore she is responsible for the curse.
"So let’s summarise - If killian hadnt made rumple feel so powerless, rumple wouldnt have become the dark one, wouldnt have lost his son,.."
We don’t know that for sure. And I disagree. Even if Killian hadn’t come along, Milah was destined to leave her coward of a husband who had shamed his family. Her unhappiness was there long before she met Killian. So I believe all of this still could’ve happened with or without Killian. I mean the reason Rumple took on the darkness was to save his son from the Ogre Wars. Last I checked, Killian didn’t cause those!
And even so Regina still chose to cast the curse. Therefore, she is responsible for her role that she played in it. Now is Rumple also culpable? Sure. He helped her, after all. But who’s out there saying that Rumple is a better choice for Emma? There’s probably like one person. So Rumple sharing in part of the blame is kind of irrelevant to the topic.
"Last person who tried to kill Emma’s family - Killian.
And before you say Gold isnt family - yes he is because quite literally in the next episode emma says “You’re henry’s grandfather. Like it or not that makes us family”
Correction: at the time this blog was written the last person to try and kill Emma’s family was the Dark Ones.
And this person is seriously trying to use a line from S2 to justify this when Gold has betrayed them multiple times since including the end of S5 and S6? Yes, Emma says this as justification for helping him during S2. After all, family means a lot to Emma and I think she was trying to help Gold turn a page.
But let’s not pretend that any of them had any real affection for Gold after his multiple betrayals. Emma was ready to take him down in S5 and S6 when he stood in the way of her true love. So. That argument is so disingenuous. It's a perfect example of reaching so far you make a fool out of yourself.
And technically Gold is the last person to have tried to kill Emma’s family by the end of the series. This blog was written prior to the ending of S5 so I’ll let this slide.
"And Hook being the dark one does count as the only thing that can control a dark one is excalibur/dagger and Hook was not being controlled by anyone. This was most definetely hook being an ass and nothing else."
And here comes the Regina Apologist again trying to deny the dark curse. It was not “Hook being an ass and nothing else” like please do not pretend like we didn’t see a complete change in him when the darkness took over! Because we did.
Also, Season 5 tells us repeatedly that those cursed with the darkness become someone else entirely. I've already covered this here:
We’ve all heard it.
“Hook is abusive! He tried to send Emma’s family to hell! He called her an orphan! He yelled at her!”
And so on and so
And this one goes even further into how the darkness controlled even Emma for a hot second:
i need a glass of wine after sending this but here’s another horrible take i saw about niume wasn’t controlling any of the do’s and it says
So the fact that they refuse to accept or acknowledge canon is why we can’t be friends. Because they use their fanon and complete disregard for canon as a weapon against us.
If they had just stuck to saying "yeah I ship Emma and Regina post S3 because Regina is on Team Hero now" and said nothing else... we wouldn't be here right now.
" - is the reason for emma’s darkness" (aka her saving Killian)
Not by any fault of his own. He begged her not to!
It was Regina Mills that begged Emma to risk becoming a full on dark one to save her handbag!
See, I don't know how you can ship SwanQueen when Regina is clearly willing to sacrifice Emma for her handbag and Emma is clearly fighting for her true love Killian Jones... and it's Killian Jones putting Emma first while Regina is still thinking of only herself.
"Pretty sure Regina’s been the one fighting for Emma’s light harder than anyone"
Incorrect! Evidence is in how they each treated Dark Swan and how they treated the Dagger.
It was Killian that faced the Wicked Witch to get to Emma. It was Killian that believed in her enough not to control her with the dagger. It was Killian that helped Emma light the flame. It was Killian that ultimately fought the darkness and restored Emma’s light.
"is awful to emma’s son?"
Killian: "Riveting tale, Snow likes oatmeal. Is my morning breakfast in there too? Henry I thought you were gonna use your author powers to get us to defeat Hades."
And there we have it. Ignoring S1-2 and picking ONE LINE out to try and say Killian was awful to Henry. Oh you would not win this argument with me, luv. You would lose and lose horribly.
Regina Mills abused Henry for the first ten years of his life and was not that great of a mother in later seasons either. That alone trumps one frustrated line from Killian Jones who was worried for everyone's safety when they'd all come there to help save him.
And even with the first ten years of abuse, we have these present day moments where Regina was just awful to Henry:
This is part of a How They Treat Emma Comparison
The way they treated her in regards to Henry
Regina Mills spent the first season trying to
saw someone say once cs got together their relationship was just straight up love bombing and then hook putting emma down when what she was doing wasn't about him but their romantic relationship was a really long process in their timeline, i need a debunking
Do people not understand how people falling in love flirt?
Killian Jones made some pretty colorful declarations but the thing is... he was completely and totally sincere about them. His actions backed up his words. From the start he was impressed with Emma's leadership and we saw how he listened and followed her lead for the entire series. He declares that he intends to win her heart but not through any trickery and again he stands by that as he waits patiently for her to see who he is then lets her make every single move in their relationship. He once says that he would like to know everything about her and this was the truth because he follows through in S4 when he asks her to "show him her beginnings" and proceeds to learn who Emma really is. This is reflected in him bringing her onion rings, in knowing that his Emma wouldn't be trying to destroy light magic and in that story time speech he gives. These were not love bombs but honest declarations. There's probably even more but those are some top examples off the top of my head.
There is not one instance of Hook putting Emma down while they were together and not cursed and there is NOT ONE SINGLE instance of Hook EVER putting Emma down because something wasn't about him. That's just a straight up lie someone fanoned up cause they felt like they needed more fodder for their hate.
