#dethnarok viii

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Timeline in King-Ohger (part 1)

So, I've watched Zeo Agito's review of recent King-Ohger episodes and he pointed out how Jerami's mom killing Daigorg kinda messes up the timeline, so I decided to try to piece it back together, especially that King-Ohger has been pretty consistent so far

What do we know?

Jerami's mum - Nephilia - died after she defeated Daigorg. Jerami was just a kid then

Daigorg was a general that lead Dethnarak's faction to victory during Bugnarok's civil war

Dethnarak doesn't know the reason why the war between humans and Bugnarok started 2000 years ago

Jerami considers himself to be an elder in relation to Dethnarak

Jerami's dad came to Earth together with the colonists who came to Chikyuu from Earth

Human and Bugnarok war took place when first kings, like Jerami's dad and Rainol Hastie were still around

Bugnarok's civil war took place 1000 or 100 years ago, according to Jerami

Dethnarak genuinely believed Jerami's prophecy

Murals that Jerami made were inspired by his father's work, and the latter made a similar mural back on Earth

According to Himeno's research when she was treating Gerojim, Bugnarok DNA is very similar to human DNA and this very same episode implies that Bugnarok people evolved from humans because they were eating Shugod souls

Jerami is approximately 2000 years old, as confirmed by N'kosopa's lie detector

Trying to put it together

First thing that catches the attention would be the Bugnarok's civil war. According to Jerami, it took place 1000 or 100 years ago, but from recent flashback we learn he was a small kid back then

We also know that Jerami was born around the time of the human-Bugnarok war because not only he mentioned his parents meeting then, but his father was also one of the first colonists and one of the would-be first kings and humans can't live for ages (unlike Bugnarok). On top of it, Jerami confirms his age to be approximately 2000 years during the lie detector test

So, during civil war, Jerami would have to be around 1000-1900 years old, if we take into the account time-stamps given by him. Of course, he could be one of those slow-aging species, like Baby Yoda* who was still a baby despite being 50 years old

But, we also know that Dethnarak is younger than Jerami, since he doesn't know the reason behind the human-Bugnarok war and he genuinely believed Jerami's prophecy. It suggests that the mural and the prophecy were created before Dethnarak came to life, or else he would have known it was Jerami's work making it less credible as a prophecy of the future

Also, if Bugnarok people live so long because they age slowly and if that feat comes from Jerami's mum side of genepool (because the humans age and live as long as we do), and if on top of that we'd take into account that Dethnarak is younger than Jerami, then we'd need to conclude with Dethnarak waging wars within the kingdom as a little kid. If so, no wonder that Daigorg was the star there and not the Dethnarak himself but I don't really think that would be the case here

But as we've learned before, Jerami isn't a very reliable narrator. In fact, not much of what he says can be taken at face value, as he'd rather hide the true meaning between the lines. For example, in fairytales, there's often a phrase "beyond seven mountain, beyond seven forests" used. Of course, this phrase doesn't mean literally 7 mountains and 7 forests, it's only used to picture a very long distance. I believe that very similarly is with this 100 or 1000 years. Jerami doesn't remember the exact time, but he's letting us know that it was very long ago, that exact date doesn't matter in this story (as his primary intention was to warn Racules about Daigorg, so getting into too much detail wouldn't be very helpful)

Though, we can note that 100-1000 years points to a certain period of time. Earlier than 100 years suggests that most likely no human who lived during that time is alive anymore. 1000 years makes it certain that the Bugnarok civil war took place after the Bugnarok were banished under the ground in the human-Bugnarok war

Another part is that he mentioned that Dethnarak's faction was led to victory thanks to Daigorg. But given that Dethnarak is supposed to be younger than Jerami, it's rather doubtful a child would lead a faction. This leads me to consider that this part was just another one of Jerami's mental shortcuts. The faction that won, is definitely the faction associated with Dethnarak, but it's very likely that it wasn't Dethnarak who led it during the civil war but one of his ancestors. Then, said ancestor would win the right to rule the Bugnarok, and Dethnarak would inherit it from them. After all, it's Dethnarak VIII, so if we skip the part that "8th" in Japanese sounds suspiciously similar to "Hastie" and we assume it's just a regular ordinal number, it would mean that there used to be 7 other Dethnaraks in the linage and that's not counting the possibility of the family members with different names

One could say that the previous Dethnaraks could have ruled long before the human-Bugnarok war, let alone Bugnarok civil war, but so far, we had it implied that Bugnarok evolved from humans who ate shugod souls. And humans themselves came from Earth in a spaceship. I don't know how would so many people evolve so quickly, though. My guess would be that there was an accident that mutated many people at once. That would also explain why would others frown upon Jerami's dad relationship with a Bugnarok woman, despite Bugnarok being human not so long ago - they were most likely avoided as if they were contaminated or leprous

Speaking of, we've learned that Jerami and Dethnarak are related. If we assume that Dethanarak the VIII we saw in the show was not around during the Bugnarok civil war and rather was his ancestor, said ancestor would most likely be a sibling or a cousin of Nephilia - Jerami's mum. Unless the families got connected later down the bloodline, of course, because that's also a possibility

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It's quite a long stuff and I don't know when will I finish it, because there are still things I didn't touch in here, but I don't really feel like finishing it rght now so I decided to just post what I had.

*I know it's not real Yoda!

[sonia-kate]

Ok, now I really heard Dethnarak's "8th" to sound an awful lot like "Hastie". And we just learned that he and Jerami are related!

More family drama? Jerami's situation and Gira's is quite similar. Though, Jerami is probably more like a great-great-uncle to Dethnarak

If Dethnarak ends up somehow related to Hasties it would be even more family to drama. Hell, now that Racules married Suzume, we can throw Dybowskis to the mix

Imagine all of them meeting on some family occasions

Even more sitcom potential!

Let's add all the others too. Like, Hasties and Rans had some connections as well as royal families do, making Himeno Racules' and Gira's cousin of 5th degree. Then she marries Yanma (or Yanma marries Gira, for those who prefer that option). And on top of that let's have some Yanma's uncle having been sent to Gokkan for some offence (scalping plushies, for example) back in the day and there having a child that would turn out to be, you guessed it, Rita, making her his cousin

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King Ohger ep. 26 spoilers

Dethnarok's retribution was beautiful

RIP ;-;

I'm upset that he didn't get to live in the new world

Fucking Kamejim

I had a feeling that in a different universe, Racules and Dethnarak would have been besties. Both are good at heart, both manipulated by Kamejim, both lost their kingship to their relatives in a duel... just that Dethnarok's death was properly emotional and Racules' wasn't which makes me hope that he'll come back... please... although we won't have him being bros with Dethnarok, but still

From news about the future of the series, I guess the looming great disaster wasn't Bugnarok invasion. Also, Kamejim is still alive. Please, let Racules kill him

Also also, I guess our heroes are going to travel in space and leave the kingdoms to their retainers?

Time to undust "King-Ohgers feel like Star Trek crew" and "Bugnarok are native species and humans were space colonisers" (though that one with some modifying since recent informations we got) and all the other related to that stuff