Im very intrigued by the whole "Jevil & Spamton react poorly to the titan & the prophecy" thing.
what do i mean by 'the two guys canonically driven insane by being informed of the future and their choices not mattering go react poorly to being informed of the future and told none of their choices matter'? well,
they react poorly.
Jevil and Spamton both were already sort of under the impression they already defied fate- Jevil by helping Frisk stand up to King, Spamton by helping Frisk stand up to Queen + the NEO fight where Frisk 'cut his strings' and got him moving again despite it. Spamton far more so than Jevil, as Jevil's simply not been thinking about it in depth, while Spamton. is Spamton. and has been thinking about it for years and years and-
So seeing a prophecy that DOES make reference towards them and Frisk makes them freak out a bit! Were any of their choices even theirs to make? Does any of this matter? If none of it does then-
[I can't do anything] I CAN DO ANYTHING.
And in BT's chapter 4, I think that they're.. .seeing bits and pieces throughout but nothing that really Sets Them Off (because Aarch is deliberately breaking pieces of it like Ralsei does) until they're in the room in which the Knight makes the Titan, where they see a piece of the prophecy that sort of- straw that breaks the camels back.
then the Knight shows up, has a laugh at their expense, Frisk tries to confront it, and it promptly creates the fountain (which stabbing their knives down to make it also breaks the prophecy panel). Aarch Did Not Know About This, It Was Not Mentioned, and Spamton and Jevil are still having their break down so they're IN the battle not taking turns or listening to Frisk.
As for how that Titan fight goes and how its cleared up, well... I'd like to try to draw something proper for that ;]
but also, I want to say, the prophecy panels that feature Jevil and Spamton are actually very ambiguous on whether they HAVE defied fate. They basically only acknowledge the parts where its mandatory to encounter them (Jevil attacks them at the start of Chapter 1, their only path forward in Chapter 2 is through an alley Spamton is in), not the fact that Frisk had them in their party, not the fact they're STILL in Frisk's party.
The prophecy says that Frisk- "The [Vessel] with human soul and [Heart]"- would get help from Darkners, of which Spamton and Jevil fit, but its not... SAID to BE them specifically. And maybe it wasn't SUPPOSED to be. But yknow that's like, something a theorist would be able to dissect, not something two guys who have been on the verge of a breakdown for several hours lol.










