#dream argument

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Dream Argument - 03 - Unhinged

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The “Dream Argument” is a two-pronged proposition: The first prong is that dreams sometimes seem so real to us that there’s no way to know when we’re dreaming and when we are not. The second prong is that—in the same way we usually don’t recognize we’re dreaming until we begin to wake up—it’s possible that what currently appears to be regular day-to-day reality will disintegrate the moment we reach lucidity. In other words, you may think you’re reading a footnote right now, but maybe you’re just having a nonlucid dream where a footnote is being read. And as soon as you realize this, the page will start to dissolve.

KLOSTERMAN, Chuck, But What If We're Wrong? Thinking About the Present as if it Were the Past. NY. Blue Rider Press, pp. 238, note 45.

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SetThings - Dream argument

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Dream argument

The dream argument is the assertion that the act of dreaming provides such intuitive evidence that it cannot be distinguished from that which our senses provide to us in the waking state, and that, for this reason, we cannot fully … Read More

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The golden butterfly went flitting flower after flower And dreamed he was an old man fast asleep for many an hour…

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by Hoogs | Jun 13, 2016

Once Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn’t know he was Zhuang Zhou. Suddenly he woke up, and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn’t know if he were Zhuang Zhou who had dreamed he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he was Zhuang Zhou. Between Zhuang Zhou and a butterfly, there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things.

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Whatever I have accepted until now as most true has come to me through my senses. But occasionally I have found that they have deceived me, and it is unwise to trust completely those who have deceived us even once.

Meditations on First Philosophy, René Descartes

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He who dreams of drinking wine may weep when morning comes; he who dreams of weeping may in the morning go off to hunt. While he is dreaming he does not know it is a dream, and in his dream he may even try to interpret a dream. Only after he wakes does he know it was a dream. And someday there will be a great awakening when we know that this is all a great dream. Yet the stupid believe they are awake, busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man ruler, that one herdsman ‑ how dense! Confucius and you are both dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle. Yet, after ten thousand generations, a great sage may appear who will know their meaning, and it will still be as though he appeared with astonishing speed.

Zhuàngzi, "Discussion on making all things equal” (The Dream Argument)