#eight function model

[mbti-notes]

Could you explain the beebe model? Please?

Beebe is more of a speaker than a writer it seems, so there aren’t a lot of official materials available about his ideas. He is a Jungian analyst, so he has his own ideas about the functions and incorporates Jungian archetypes. He has a theory about the role of shadow functions and has made interesting contributions to understanding the auxiliary and tertiary functions. Since I read his stuff awhile ago, I’m not familiar enough with the details to write a clear summary. It would be better for you to seek out whatever is available on the internet, especially blurbs he’s written himself. His archetypal roles are interesting but I generally find his model overly complicated in terms of being difficult to interpret properly.

[cats-in-kreuzberg]

Article on the fifth through eighth functions and how they relate to our biases.

[infjdoodles]

If you only skim one site on the 8 function stuff it should be this one (you can scroll down and see your type broken apart!): http://www.erictb.info/archetypes.html  "INxJ's Probably think that multiple possibilities are absurd. The patterns point to one right conclusion." I see seeing multiple possibilities as the step before the right conclusion, a step I don't normally notice…because it isn't actually multiple possibilities I notice but multiple things leading towards one possibility.

It's odd reading about INxJs having an adversarial relationship to Ne. But, I first encountered it over the course of my friendship with the ENFP in my life. When generating options she frequently throws out "you don't have too accept all of these!" and makes it clear that ideas don't need to be acted on. She has good ideas so, I usually want to act on all of them…

[infjdoodles]

I will often make up games within games, set goals for myself just to set where things can go. I don't really care about the arbitrary collect 50 monkeys type achievements (except for hats!). Recently I was playing a game that you named towns on the map (Triple Town!) and I modeled my "world" after A Song of Fire & Ice's. I enjoyed trying to make the relative spacial distance map to the other map. The goals are set are usually of the "can I do this? will it work?" nature. The first time I saw this model it was here: http://www.infj.com/BeebeOnINFJs.htm which is a site that has too many dolphins for me but, an awesome number of charts.

[infjdoodles]

Here is part two of that article, which goes into other 8 function model: http://www.typeinsights.com/FreeArticles/TypeArchetypePartTwoTheArms.pdf Interesting quote: "It’s my parental second function I must use when taking care of others, not my heroic first function, and that means I take the best care of people not when I heroically show them a possibility they haven’t thought of, but when I help them to define more sharply what they already know." (an ENTP talking about using Ti to help rather than Ne.) First side tangent: Extraverted feeling was for a while a rough one to define for myself. I struck at many incorrect definitions. I read many definitions online that didn't match the NFJs I knew in life or myself. I realized this was because most of the definitions of it are around the "what would the neighbors think?" (and typically written by any type not FJ). A very 'all FJ share the exact same social norms' (and same values) and you must be an enforcer of social norms if you are an FJ (one ENFJ I can think of off hand disagrees). I have found social norms to be difficult in the past. I was an exchange student for a year and the culture I lived in, I choose not to meld into the social norms I saw. I saw them, I could have blended but, it was innately objectionable to me to stop being myself for the sake of fitting in (even though it would have been relatively low cost). I dealt with people pressuring me into being someone I was not [in particular one adult (I was 16) saw nothing wrong with the idea that I should change who I was and they should urge me to change]. I do see extraverted feeling as pursuing harmony but, the way one pursues that is part cultural / part choice / part learning. Some FJs might see burning it all down as the easiest way to get to peace... But, I use Fe to try and help others grow. I think there are many different moral codes that are valid--depending on the group, the environment and the situation (my own morals are in this direction). I am not an enforcer of others' morality. I strive to associate with people that value honesty. That's actually the only thing I think I require (I mean, there are some other things that are related to dishonesty). On a related tangent: my boyfriend (ISFJ) didn't want to put the trash in the bin because he wasn't sure which one was mine (I think he disposed to it elsewhere). He has had disagreements with neighbor about speeding down his road. These are not things I notice or care about. I have walked past my neighbors but, I am indifferent to their existence.

[infjdoodles]

8 function archetypes are fascinating to me. To start, your dominant function is your Hero function and the one you most identify with within yourself. For a general explanation: http://www.typeinsights.com/FreeArticles/TypeArchetypePartOneTheSpine.pdf One interesting note from there: "The differentiation of the Hero / Heroine is usually the work of childhood, and the more the original family recognises and values the superior function, the more the child is seen (at least in this area) as remarkable, competent, and gifted." In my own childhood my creativity was always encouraged. Though I find it hard to understand and be understood by my mom, she's an artist and always encouraged my own creativity. Art was a place to find meaning within form. Patterns and connections everywhere, always. I don't recall being that strongly aware of how I view the world differently from others. Here for a list of types/function/positions: http://www.apt-nc.org/type-theories/eight-function-model/