Let’s see... I forgot my phone today but let’s see what happened in my absence.
That’s a lie and I don’t even need to check it because if that had actually happened, I would have heard the fireworks and the howls of the DFO theorists.
Listen, I absolutely don’t believe it.
Because that would not be revealed by a movie.
But I will admit that this is a fun theory.
Now, we’re talking.
Of course, I was right. I always am, for I am wise.
About frikidoctor. Since I´m spanish and I´ve watched his channel several times let me say this. NONE of his leaks from season 6 & 7 were his. Season 7 leaks were posted on reddit by someone called away-for-the-lads. This same person under a different name also leaked on reddit episodes 9 & 10 of season 6 before they aired (he changed name on reddit to avoid legal issues).
Many thanks for the clarification! I suspected that he just ran along with lads leaks last season.
I’ll put this in the tag, so that my nonnies can calm down.
EDITED to add the other parts of the ask:
Part two. All frikidoctor did was talk about this leaks and added his own speculations. But since he posted the leaks on youtube, a platform with more visibility than youtube, he somehow has gained a reputation of someone who has insiders. But season 6 & 7 leaks aren´t his.
Part three. There´s only ONEleak from season 8 he claimed that may be true. Since that leak suposedly camefrom someone from the shooting at Italica here in Spain. But if that´s true Ifind that HBO lack of response is strange. I mean the final twist leaked onyoutube by a guy at plain face months BEFORE the premiere? And HBO doesnothing? away-for-the-lads had reddit anonimity, but this guy showed his proudface to the world.
Part fourth. It´s also strange that in that leaked video was present also Javi Marcos who is the administrator of Los Siete Reinos, the spanish website that´s equal in the spanish fandom to watcheronthewall or winteriscoming. Why would he too reveal the final twist? I think that their leak may be either a) true with a puzzling lack of care by HBO. b) a fake leak planted by HBO using frikidoctor popularity.
Part five. frikidoctor track record of his own theories being true isn´t great at all. Back before season 7 aired he was convinced that Sansa was pregant with Ramsay´s baby no matter the lack of evidence. Just so you know. Besides, the guy posts a video every week about got. When you speculate twenty minutes weekly for two years maybe you can guess right.
Update and Edit and Master Post to the Fokker Conspiracy: A Guide to this whole mess.
Firstly a special thanks to several people that have helped me with this. I couldn’t have done this without more than my eyes.
Secondly: To those that are determined to believe these leaks, I’m going to say this right now. I am not going to judge you, I’m not here to be spiteful and say you’re wrong, I have no horse in this race. So if you want to believe in the leaks, then do so, I’m not going to harass or bug you about it or tell you you’re wrong.
Third: This post is designed to be informative as possible, and if anyone needs to correct something, please shoot it in the notes below so that I can go in and correct them. I want people to have enough info to make their own call on this, and all I’m doing is laying out the facts.
So without further ado, all details and information is below the cut here.
Adding in updates and edits as I go...Edit: 2.0.2
Edit: (I’m going to be polite as I got a note from tumblr in regard to BTI Studio, which makes me think that it’s the name and they are doing blanket purges as their name is being used by this. I am trying to find a way to contact the person that copyrighted me, a Mr. Rachel, who works as part of the IT Manger at BTI Studios. Which makes me think that this is more on the use of the name than the pictures themselves.
Anyone know if he’s on Twitter? I got this on the 24th, it is now the 29th and I did not receive any further notices. As I’m not on linked in and don’t have access to email him directly. This makes me think it’s the name as if it was all of NBC Universal all other forms of these images including VSI would be asked to be taken down. As was the Pidge and Lance image that was made to be a fake to show how easy it is to make one. This doesn’t mean that the leaks are real, only that the name, like all company names, should not be used without the consent of the copyright holder.)
Edit: According to Anon, the Plance photo which was a fake used to show how anyone can make this sort of thing was also copyright struck. Meaning that regardless of just fan art, or not, real or fake, you could be hit by a notice to remove the work. This is what is considered a kind of blanket purge meant to just clean everything up, even if it’s not even a leak. As long as there’s some bit of what is considered Intellectual property connected to the peice (character, name of studio, logo, even something as simple as “Property of X” it can be copyright struck.)
So let’s start with the Real Leaks that happened from both France and the US and Mir.
So let’s go with Kimiko’s leaks. For those that don’t know, these are real leaks from the Voice actress of Ezor, who was working in New York at the time for Broadway and was dubbing over lines that they either changed or didn’t get a strong enough take for her.
This photo was taken way back on April 18th 2017, since the date on the image dates the day of the photo taken.
So Several things you need to note about these picture.
1. The photo has the timer on the top and the side showing the take, we have a transparent property of DreamWorks, and the full locked and updated note with date and time on the bottom to denote that voice recording was locked in and updated at that point in time. There are also codes that give editors information.
2. The name of the studio is real, and they have their water mark in a way that doesn’t distract from the actors recording as well as it being transparent enough for them to do the recording as the water mark is put over as another layer on the screen for various legal reasons. Hyperbolic Audio is a dub studio in New York that works with several clients.
3. This photo was taken down within a few hours of it being put up by DreamWorks and basically the studio put out an announcement that requested the leak be taken down, as did the actors and other people working for the company. Word got out really fast and this image was removed and did later show up in the show.
Then there was the leak from Stuido Mir. This one I don’t have pictures of since most were taken down or deleted.
1. Confirmation of the photos were made by Mir itself.
2. The original poster of the pictures took them down and then requested that others take down the leaked images.
3. Someone tried to blackmail the studio holding the artwork, which lead to them being basically forced to take down the images.
4. This all within a few hours and days of the leaks coming to light.
Now this one is important because this one plays a role in everything that we’re going to discuss below.
So from my understanding the French actor of Keith Lionel (hope I’m spelling that right) took a photo of himself and others in the recording studio during the earlier seasons.
(This was removed more recently by him because people found it.)
So several important things to note here.
1. The photo again was taken by someone directly connected to the show and within hours of it coming out it came down. As dated by the discord server, this was done way back in 2017.
2. As you can see the program is very unique and that’s because it is a one of a kind program that was built for the dubbing studio.
3. As you can see here, the picture spreads over the screen and stops short of where the table is on the left.
4. You can see the text on screen is far smaller and transparent so you can see the words.
4 a. According to Anon, this may be the work of DreamWorks themselves. As the water marks would have to be done by them directly. Again I have never seen this sort of water marking on anything before, and no other studio has done this, and they have never done this to any of their other shows as far as I’ve seen. We’ll have to wait and see if they do this with She-ra as it’s another 2D show vs. 3D which is harder to do a lot of edits for.
5. The setup shows the words below, etc.
6. The words do not go over into the dark area of the screen and never cross over the table on the right side of the screen.
7. The photo was taken down within a few hours of it being put up and the studios were fast to take it down and tell the actors to tell their fans to make sure it’s not distribute the image. Same as with Kimiko’s leak.
With all this in mind. Let’s take a look at the latest leaks and try to clear this all up.
Recent leak with the French Dub team.
So let’s go over this piece by piece.
1. The fact is that this is a real photo of the cast of Voltron from France, that is not the issue. The issue is the screen behind them.
2. The bottom screen where the words are…
Okay so I did some digging on this studio. You can find information regarding them in the links below.
So Chinkel S.A. has a very unique program for dubbing created by Cappella systems. This was built just for them and there is no other studio that owns this sort of set up. This is really important to note because all of the leaks have had an altered version of their watermarks.
The important things here…
1. The words would not stretch across the whole screen like this. As the cut of the projected image would be set directly before the text boxes as you see in the studio image.
2. The words are too big, and are not opaque, and are too few. As the original real leak shows the “Do not copy” has 8 lines, the fake one here only has 5.
3. Yellow words are wrong and should be a way lighter color. As the color is yellow in the fake leaks and the real ones are transparent and name Chinkel S.A. not VSI which is wrong.
4. The image that is being used is that of a cropped shot of the previous leak as they cut off the other mouse, which you would not do as we see in the original real leak shows that the image stretches across the screen.
4a. Edit: Thank you anon for pointing out the mouse. My mistake here as the image I saw on my home computer makes the image look far more blurred then on the bigger one at work. You are right that it does have the mouse there, and the non studio shot that I have with the BTIStudio logo on it doesn’t have Pidges shoulder in it. I mixed those two up.
I do personally though find it odd that the mouse is in the same position as the first shot.
5. The bottom line of the text doesn’t bend properly.
As shown by @huntypastellance post, the bending of the light of the projector is way off on the bottom of the shot.
Normally a projector would be bending and curving around the actors’ body and in this case they are not fully being wrapped around. Which is, as @aquaburst07 and @ladynoctern told me, as both are graphic designers, not at all how this is supposed to work in a legit picture.
Also something of importance that I must call to mind. The words on the bottom of the screen. They are not on the bodies of the actors. If this is a real projection then the light and worlds should be bending and shaping around the actors and this is not behaving in the way that it should. Also the word would not be cut off like that, even if you pause the scene, and you would never pause in a scene like this to take a photo.
Ask any VA, they would tell you that you would not waste time in this way. You’re costing time that you need to record. So if you take photos like this, it’s done before or after the recording session starts.
Additionally the light is off in regard to how a dubbing room would be used.
There is also the very blunt issue of the table on the right being way wrong, as you would not have a scene in there and have it read carton. As you see with the studio image it would have a list of the different recording aspects in there.
In the photo that was leaked there is none of that. And also there is no red lines near the end to be used to mark for audio recording purposes.
In another photo from the Chinkel S.A. website through the VSI website when translated they show their font on screen. It’s not very hard using Adobe products to create fonts and part of Graphic design is learning to do that. There is no words over the actors like there should be since this “scene” comes before the “wedding scene”.
Another small factor that’s been bugging me about the order of these scenes, the art story makes no sense. As a narration due to the time it reads like this.
First you have the older picture scene of them as a group, since the timer reads 22:09, then you have Keith’s scene at 22:30, and then you have the wedding, at 22:42. Here’s the reason this is bothering me. In normal structure you would have the picture of the younger group, then the moment of Keith, then the older group, and then end it on the wedding.
So if you notice that the show is doing the Final Fantasy XV way of making a character look older by giving them scruff on their chin. If Shiro’s wedding happens before the picture, where is his husband? If the wedding is taking place after the second group photo where is the scruff on their chins.
Also if you’re doing a sort of nostalgic moment you end on the group shot, you don’t star on it, that’s doing things in a backwards style and no storyboard writers group would do that. You want your story to flow.
Example: A- First shot with the statue in the back.
B -Keith shot
C -Wedding
D- Time skip shot with the group in color.
As I said in my large anon asks, the point of sepia is to make the tone of the scene feel nostalgic or memory like.
(I’m simplifying a lot of this because there’s so much here from a graphic design angle that a lot of people will be confused here)
6. The water mark on the screen is off, and the wrong type. Chinkel uses it’s name as the water mark and not the studios owner VSI.
7. Also the fact that the picture is too clean and sharp vs all the other aspects of the photo which are pixelated and blurred.
So onto the others. Let’s start with the Wedding and move our way down…
(Using Cinderella III because the stance is similar to the leaked image)
(For those wondering why I keep calling the character Roy, it makes it easier for me than calling him “That one dude that looks like a famous character from Macross that is supposed to be a homage to him, and clearly isn’t him.” )
8. This image was cropped at the top.
8 a. As Anon pointed out to me in inbox, the characters in the back are static and not moving. This would not be normal and, as I said in my post that got deleted, the characters were probably redrawn from either a posed picture, or some sort of promotional art and then traced over. Newtype magazine does a lot of illustrations that have moments that are not in the shows and weddings are sometimes used for their articles when they want to push a couple.
9. It’s been layered. The fact is that only Chinkel has the software to do this, so this was created by duplicating the layers and then taking and cutting and stamping and a lot of things in photo shop.
10. As per the Chinkel real leak, the property of DreamWorks on the bottom is not in stroke.
11. We have the fact that this guy looks way to much like Roy Fokker to be legally allowed. If this is supposed to be Adam then there’s something way off with him.
12. As I detailed before you can’t use images or look a likes of Roy Fokker due to Studio Nue and Harmony gold and Tatsunoko’s huge legal fight, and he wouldn’t be accessible until after 2021. So no…no Roy would be allowed even if he is Adam or just meant to be a look alike.
12 a. As @rsasai points out in this post using Roy would cause massive issues in Japan alone. http://rsasai.tumblr.com/post/179513598638/reminder
13. Also pidge’s eyebrows are off slightly and in the kiss scene you can see that Roy’s hand and arm vanishes
13a. Cleaner image shows that the arm is there, it’s just very hard to see, which again is why normally you don’t use the sepia tones there.
Link to image here
Since the Image has the BTIstudios name on it, and seems to be the reasons for the take downs, I’m linking it.
The interesting thing though is, again, I’m talking here from the perspective of framing a scene.
Closest one that I could find with the same or similar arm movements.
As you can see the more natural grip would be on the upper arm, it might be that Shiro’s arm can’t do that anymore? It seems like an odd place to put his arm.
Similarly here’s a shot that is a lot like the leaked one. Again the arms placement would naturally fall on the chest or arm of the other person as they are being pulled into the kiss, so you’d rest your arm where it feels natural.
13 b. Anon also pointed out that Shiro’s hand is resting on a location that would be more suited for a shorter character in place of Roy. Also his line of sight in the other pictures doesn’t match up, as he is looking down possibly at someone shorter than him, and also the art could allow for rotation on the head, as it’s easier to do that in profile than in person.
14. As per Malaysian posters, the wording on this is wrong and would not read that.
15. NBCU would not have it’s name on this period. You don’t have a stroke around a water mark.
16. BTI studios doesn’t have this program and would not just go by BTI studios.
17. Water marks do not work like that. You wouldn’t have a pause thing either.
18. And there is a lot of issues of where the words are being put because you can’t and shouldn’t have it hard for the voice actors to see the lip flaps.
19. Pause would not look like this and not be placing like this at all. Also the image of the kiss may be modeled on artwork from Macross do you remember love.
So with the second set of leaks we see changes.
20. Lance and Allura are possibly a redraw of Allura and Lotor.
21. Again BTISudios do not have the same type of equipment as Chinkel so this text over the screen should not be in there.
22. Allura’s crying is in the wrong spot. As I showed with the superman reign shot
23. One thing that I need to point out is the extra strand of hair for Allura, which she should not have.
24. Again this has been cropped and you wouldn’t have it in this tone as Voltron for past memories has shown it uses a white filter.
See with how Romelle and Bandor’s memory scene is framed in a light white edge to it, so show that it’s in the past. If the scene with these two are happening in the past then both should be in a white light not a sepia tone.
Jumping ahead to Keith’s leak.
25. Again wrong colors, we know that BTI Studios do not have this type of software.
26. Keith would still be with Voltron, and why is Zethrid wearing a BOM uniform while Ezor has a patch over her eyes. This is all very wrong.
27. Keith’s scar is not quiet right either.
The last one has a lot wrong with the group shot and more to the point the one on the top is far worse.
28. Pidge’s eyebrows are cut wrong, her hair is based more on Lotor’s bangs then her own.
29. Pidge’s nose was half cut off by the altered glasses placed on her.
30. Keith’s fingers look weird and his hand is off, and if it’s lance’s it still a bit weird.
31. You wouldn’t have the image cut like that, and have the “Do not copy” would not flow off the screen in the way it does.
32. Coran hasn’t changed at all, and his ears are off.
33. Shiro looks more like an older version of Yu Narukami than himself.
33 a. Edit: As per @leavesandroses “Studio Mir also does statues in 3D, not drawn animation” And they are right. If you look at artwork from Legend of Korra and at Aang’s statue because that’s some of the best shots, you can see how it’s done via CG rather than via traditional hand drawn.
Even Lotor’s statue is similar in design and uses the same type of rendering only with a filter over it as it’s a memory.
Allura’s statue doesn’t have this same affect where you can tell it’s CG as you should in the shot.
Thanks to @rsasai , who did some testing, you can see the art work doesn’t over lap right.
As you can see if these are all the same product they should line up…they don’t. No matter what way you try to overlap the screens will not match up.
Then there’s the added fact of the weird words that would not be on screen in this way.
34. Screens are all fucked up, you wouldn’t have the water marks cutting into the Property of DreamWorks
34 a. You would also not have the “One year later” on top like that.
35. Also no studio would do it in this way. No one would be this dumb. This is way too close to how they would do some weird stuff in the 1990s, which would never be done here in the states now.
36. There’s also the bad translation which would not be allowed.
On top of all of this and several other things that others have pointed out over and over again, you would not have three leaks of this magnitude and not have this pulled fast off the net. As I said with the original real leaks both were removed very fast by DreamWorks.
All three studios would have been pulled from the Netflix list and most definitely in the case of VSI and Chinkel SA they would have their preferred vendor award taken away. "Netflix Preferred Vendor of the Year - Timed Text (High Volume) for 2018.”
Not only would the actors from the shows be blacklisted for their willingness to participate in what would be seen as a very big Legal copyright issue, but also Netflix, WEP, DreamWorks and NBCUniversal would probably, along with other companies, never want to work with them again.
Then there’s the fact that romelle-against-the-antis got a confession from the first leaker saying that they faked the leaks.
With all this being said…and I’m sure others can add onto this with their own information, you can make your own call if this is fake or real. I’m not going to tell anyone what to believe, but for me there’s enough proof that make me believe that this whole thing is an elaborate hoax set up to drive the fans into extreme case of worry.
So please guys…. Forget about this, just wait till the season comes out and let the chips fall where they may. Go outside, find another show to watch for the time, enjoy the fact that Halloween is only a few days away, get ready to go shopping for the holidays, make something! I just hope the Voltron Fandom will relax.
And a whole lot of Anons.
With this being said, this will be my last update until something major comes out.
Side note So this..
is a actual photo from the screening of the actual end of the show with JDM and LM. It’s from JDS’s twitter account. Actors and crew and whoever came to see it signed an NDA and I expect that anyone claming to be leaking from this would be taken down and probably fired or fined for leaking anything from that screening.
Honestly with the clues here I”m betting that Matt and his girlfriend will be the ones having the wedding, or someone there previous screening that they already decorated and left that stuff up there from that event.
Either way, everyone take a deep breath and relax until December...then you can freak out.
Previous anon: I’m a Canadian that speaks French if that helps? I’ve already notified Chinkel/VSI about their studio and logo being used like this, and am just waiting to hear back from them. I don’t ship anyone so I have nothing to gain or lose here, but they’re ruining the show for the staff and that’s not ok after all their hard work
Exactly. The studios outside of the states don’t need this crap muddling up their work. They already have enough having to re translate and script and dub that they don’t need more pressure on them with this shit.
This whole thing just reeks of typical 4chan shit to me. If they can fake things to rile up the opposition in something as important as US politics, this is child’s play to them. They’re notorious for pulling stunts like this. You’ve got some SERIOUS psychopaths on there, trust me. Not everyone in the VLD fandom is a kid, and you can bet your last buck that this is a mouthbreathing 4chan “adult” at work. They’ll stop at nothing. They’re spying on these debunking posts to up their game..
Let em. At this point, I don’t care. Unless it’s something really serious I’ll just edit my master post and see where it goes. They’ll get bored eventually and move on to other targets. *sighs*
all I can say my dudes is that if these are legit then DW has just shot itself in the foot, because by not clamping down at all, letting 3 different sources (studios) from around the world leak the ending of vld, and not doing anything more, they're basically saying they don't care if anyone violates a contract with them. it's a bad look. very bad.
Exactly. This would not be tolerated. It would make the studios involved lose clients and get them and their actors in big trouble and what is called black listed from the industy.
But the old photo of them dubbing with Hunk does have 4 timestamps? One in the upper left hand corner that is out of sync with the one in the middle and the one in the upper right hand corner (middle and right corner match). The fourth one is just out of the shot in the lower right hand corner and wouldn’t match any of the other timers (check the image you posted of the French studio dubbing that aerial car scene and you’ll see the same difference in the lower corner timestamp).
So could not find the 4th one you mentioned in the older shot. And in the one one on the bottom in the official may be for the audio or music track. I do not know this type of software that they are using. If anyone knows it, information would be appreciated.
