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Just a throwback to my remix of a friend's song from 2002 or so.

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Final Punishment - Noirsable Remix by Mike Anderson 22 on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/mike-anderson-14/final-punishment-noirsable
Just a throwback to my remix of a friend's song from 2002 or so.
Final Punishment
The pain of a lifetime—every scrape, illness, and bruise—condensed into a single moment.
Artist: Matt Thompson
Reese Watt has researched the biblical doctrine of hell for nearly thirty years. Here is a graphical representation of what he has found. He classifies all the scriptures that speak on the subject of final punishment into four categories: * eternal torment: the “traditional” idea of eternal conscious torment in a blazing, unquenchable, torturous fire * annihilation: God puts the wicked out of their misery, annihilating them so that they cease to exist * universal repentance: also known as “universalism,” eventually everyone repents and gets out of hell * neutral: texts here could endorse any of the previous three views Read more on his website: gentlegod.org Also, check out RethinkingHell.com, the premier blog and podcast on annihilationism.
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Cross Purposes: Atonement, Death and the Fate of the Wicked
Posted on August 12, 2012 by Chris Date
Conditionalists believe that “the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23; emphasis added). Those who do not believe in him will not have eternal life, and will instead perish (John 3:16). After rising from their first death to be judged, they will be sentenced to the second death (Revelation 20:14). Traditionalists, on the other hand, say the body that rises “dies not again,” confessing that “the evil ones … shall be made immortal” (emphasis added). Their language is unambiguous: “Every human being ever born lives forever;” “everybody lives forever;” the unsaved “will continue living in a state with a low quality of life.”
Adherents to both views argue that the punishment Jesus Christ bore on the cross, in place of those who believe in him, poses a real challenge to their opponents’ doctrine. Conditionalists point out that Jesus was indeed executed, not eternally tormented. Traditionalists, however, point out Christ wasn’t annihilated, that he did not cease to exist.
Leon Morris writes, “The atonement is the crucial doctrine of the faith. Unless we are right here it matters little, or so it seems to me, what we are like elsewhere.” If one’s view of final punishment logically leads to an unbiblical understanding of the atonement, it must be rejected. Contrary to the claims of traditionalists, it is often they, not conditionalists, whose eschatology clashes with what the Bible reveals about the cross. Continue reading →
Criticisms Systematic Theology 1 Corinthians 15:3-41 Corinthians 8:111 Peter 3:182 Corinthians 5:15atonementbelgic confessionchristologydavid reaganedward fudgegary habermasgreg kouklHebrews 10:10j.p. morelandJohn 3:16john blanchardjohn gilljohn macarthurlarry dixonleon morrisRevelation 20:14robert petersonrobert taylorRomans 14:15Romans 5:6Romans 5:8Romans 6:23wayne grudem 37 Comments
Episode 2: A Final Word With Edward Fudge (Part 2)
Posted on August 7, 2012 by Chris Date
Part two of Chris Date’s discussion with Edward Fudge, author of The Fire That Consumes, who shares his story and talks about the recent movie that tells it, and about his latest and final book on the topic of final punishment, Hell: A Final Word. Also, we share the first installment of a segment telling the story of formerly convinced traditionalists who are now rethinking hell. Continue reading →
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Episode 1: A Final Word With Edward Fudge
Posted on July 31, 2012 by Chris Date
Edward Fudge, author of The Fire That Consumes, joins RethinkingHell.com contributor Chris Date to discuss his story, the recent movie that tells it, and his latest and final book on the topic of final punishment, Hell: A Final Word. Continue reading →
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The Same Before and After: A Response to Matt Slick
Posted on July 12, 2012 by Chris Date
I like Matt Slick, President and Founder of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. I’ve called into his radio show several times and have even interviewed him on the topic of complementarianism. (For an egalitarian response to Matt, you can listen to my two-part interview with Dr. Philip Payne.) Generally Matt is smart and knowledgeable and I appreciate his ministry, but when it comes to the topic of final punishment he is not a sound thinker.
Approximately 31 minutes into the 26 June 2012 episode of CARM radio, a caller asked Matt about physicalism, which led to a conversation that also included conditionalism. In addition to his arguments against physicalism he offered an argument against annihilation as final punishment, wherein he labeled a man’s state prior to conception as A, his state after conception as B, and his state following annihilation as A again since it is allegedly identical to his state prior to conception, that of non-existence.
Matt concluded that since the first A state could not be called a punishment, neither can the second A state. So this might be called the “A, B, A” argument against conditionalism. Were I his teacher, I would give Matt an F.
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Criticisms carm radiocarm.orgdualismeternal punishmentjonathan edwardsmatt slickMatthew 25:46monismphysicalism 4 Comments