#goetics

[punkitt-is-here]

Ohhh shit I'm actually cracked for this mech design

[malachitelibrary]

How to Work With Goetics Without Getting Your Ass Kicked (Maybe)

As the title implies, this is an article on how to work with goetics without getting your ass kicked (maybe). This is no guarantee and there is obviously a lot of UPG here, but I tried to include viewpoints outside of my UPG as well to get the most rounded view and take others’ considerations into mind.

While the word Goetics does in fact refer to was in fact a word that referred to spirits in general in Greece, it has also evolved to refer to the spirits of the Ars Goetia. While some spirits in the Ars Goetia are truly spirits that were appropriated from other cultures and thus do not necessarily fall under the term "Goetic demons", some of them actually are demons and fallen angels. (Did you know? The meaning of a term can change over time and words can have multiple definitions...wow!!)

Okay so. First, you should understand the different “versions/interpretations” of the Goetics I have heard of:

Vesrion 1. Manifestations of the Mind

Version 2. Manifestations of the Higher Will/of Free Will

Version 3. A mix of actual demons in Hell, Fallen angels that reside in Hell, and maybe some bastardized deities.

Version 4: A mix of actual demons/fallen angels in Hell that are actually misunderstood Benevolent Beings(™)

Version 5. Spirits that aren’t actually in Hell, that Everyone Ever(™) has gotten everything wrong about and are just Misunderstood(™). Some see them as truly benevolent beings who have been bastardized/Misunderstood(™)

Now, understand the catch/how people work with each version:

Version 1. You are just talking to projections of your consciousness, and through talking to the projections of your consciousness, you get things done/accomplished. One cannot hurt you/it is only you hurting yourself. I cannot elaborate in detail as I do not work with the perception of Version 1.

Version 2: As manifestations of the free will, they are sentient and capable of making their own decisions. This is why they have to be coerced into action with the workings in the Lesser Key of Solomon/Ars Goetia. Version 2 is capable of hurting you. I cannot elaborate in detail as I do not work with the perception of Version 2.

Version 3: The version most people work with, including me. These are actual, sentient, Princes/Prelates/What have you in Hell, who run their own governments, own land/power/wealth/ARMIES,etc. Most people who work with this version have found the Goetics to be extremely corrupt, inhumane, etc. Wars are for fun and games, enslavement is totally cool, etc. More info here. Most people who have had past lives under Goetics can confirm the absolute corruption/epitome of lawful evil that is Goetic hell.

These ones are “cool until you piss them off”. Which, for most, is VERY easy as any sort of slight is taken as a Serious Personal Offense(™). Upon being pissed off, the lightest case scenario is that they just stop working with you, refuse to answer any calls, maybe send you a few scary nightmares. The WORST case scenario is that they will hound you for a long period of time, even years, filling you with parasites, regular psychic attacks (including sexual ones), attacking/possibly killing your spirit guides/guardians/companions. For those with problems, I have heard many more cases/attempted cases of the latter than the former. If I didn’t imply it enough, Version 3 is very very capable of hurting you.

Version 4: Same as Version 3 except they are interpreted as Misunderstood Beings who are Actually Benevolent(™). Most Demonolaters (goetic demon worshippers) fall under this belief. However, to my knowledge, most demonolaters say all demons are actually benevolent and leave it at that. No investigation, no trying to learn more about Hell/areas in Hell besides what their demonolatry books tell them. Version 4 will not hurt you because they are benevolent, or they will only hurt you in ways that will teach you lessons. I cannot elaborate in detail as I do not work with the perception of Version 4.

Version 5: Self-Explanatory. I do not work with this version, however I have heard of a few people who believe in it.  I cannot elaborate in detail as I do not work with the perception of Version 5.  

Soooo those are the different routes you could take. Obviously which route you take will change your safety measures, however, these are things I THINK give you the most likely way of staying safe (Note again that these are written mainly from the perception of Version 3):

1. HAVE A BACKUP PLAN: If things go sour, no matter which Version you are dealing with, you want to have backup plans. Have your protective spirits/deities/guardians/guides at the ready. Have the sigils and greater curse/constraining paragraphs in the Lesser Key of Solomon handy and possibly sigils from the Greater Key as well. Goetics trend on the far stronger side of spirits, but most are not stronger than popular deities. If you’re not fearful of the Abrahamic God, be ready to call on angels; many have dealt with Goetics before and are perfectly capable of solving Goetic issues almost instantaneously. Also have contacts capable of healing.

2. Keep your not combat/protection magic savvy spirit companions/guides/what have you out of sight. Do not let the Goetic meet your non-combat savvy companions, do not tell the Goetic about  those companions. If things go sour, Goetics CAN and WILL target your non-combat capable companions. Calling on Abrahamic Angels may not help here as praying for the protection of someone else can cause issues with Free Will, in their view. Other deities are not as strict about this, but may still have difficulty as they don’t have a “foothold” in your companions’ lives if they are not worshipped/worked with by them.

3. Don’t question them: Fake Goetic or Real Goetic(™), either way, most don’t like being questioned. They don’t want you to know who they are, they don’t want to tell you their responsibilities in Hell, those that are fallen angels don’t want to tell you how they fell. Don’t ask them anything personal or related to their responsibilities at all. This is how a large portion of problems with Goetics start.

4. Don’t get emotionally close to them: Most stories I hear of people having troubles with Goetics are those that became super close and emotional with them. In these scenarios, the Goetic is fine until it realizes that it can do almost whatever it wants because you love it so much. Then, it starts getting very possessive, manipulative, and demanding. I recommend keeping an emotional distance and maintaining a professional level only. However, like stated above, Demonolaters disagree. So it’s really up to you/your views.

How to deal if/when things go to shit:

Fight. Do not back down. Do not give up. That is what any malicious entity, not just Goetics, hopes you will do instead of fighting. It WILL blow over eventually; but it is up to you to see that through.

Banish immediately and thoroughly. Banish and remove any and all energetic ties they may have. Take down their altar, cleanse/throw away things they may have enchanted for you, dispose of any and all offerings. Remove or cleanse anything and everything that was related to them before. This removes possible links they may use to get back at you in the future.

The Lesser Key of Solomon: While much the book is bastardized Hebrew and I do not support appropriation, the protection rituals and sigils in this book have been used successfully by many people (theory: the words still hold power even if not entirely in context, but that’s besides the point). Get the seals, sigils, and paragraphs of curses/punishment for disobedient Goetics and use them. Note however that you will be calling on the Abrahamic God/Angels for this, so you must not be skeevy of them either.

Abrahamic Angels: They deal with Goetics on the regular. Any of the Archangels, Archangel Michael in particular, cannot be defeated by the Goetics. In my UPG, so long as you are not disrespectful of or enemies with the Abrahamic God, they are willing to assist so long as you are at least thankful towards their God.

Deities: While many Goetics are worshipped, they still do not come close to the level of power that many of the established popular mythological deities (such as Jupiter, Set, etc) have. Demonolaters may disagree, but I am going off of the energy work theory that the longer a deity is worshipped and the larger their follower base, the more powerful they are. Many of these mythological deities have been worshipped for THOUSANDS of years, while the Goetics have only gotten to be worshipped fairly recently. Thus, the established deities have millennia of energy feeds and worshipped while Goetics have maybe a century or two at the most (from humans at least).

Have contacts who are capable of healing: Many Goetics are capable of placing parasites and damaging your energy/astral bodies in very, very tricky ways. Have some healing spirits or humans friends capable of healing at the ready.

Make a scene: NOTE that reactions to this will VARY. The Goetics that are more appearance-conscious to their followers will cease immediately at the threat/execution of this. However, for those less appearance-conscious, this may result in MORE harassment from that Goetic. So be wise when pondering this option.

Entities capable of manipulating fate/signs/symbols: Most deities fall under this, however you may want specialized help such as the Greek Fates or Fortuna, for example. Whether you will need this or not will vary based on how much impact you think simple symbols/signs have; some see them as more energetic links the Goetics may use to get back at you, some see them as trickery so that you will believe that, and thus unintentionally let them get back at you through that belief. 

Jelly, what’s your final OPINION on working with Goetics? (NOTICE THAT OPINION IS BOLDED AND ITALICIZED.) 

In my opinion, working with Goetics is absolutely not worth the trouble. You can accomplish things for much cheaper and much more safely by working with spirits who already have a great deal of information out there, and have a reputation for not smacking down every one of their followers. I know many, MANY more people who have had troubles with Goetics, and they heavily outnumber the people who have had good relationships with them.

I wanted to put this article out there because I know many people will not heed my warnings of the dangers of Goetics and will proceed anyway. And of course I cannot stop them, but at least I can put the information out there so they will be a little bit safer. 

I have heard of people having good experiences, and yes the possibility of Fake Goetics/Impostors is very likely, especially when there is only a paragraph of Official information, and that same paragraph gets re-written over and over without any new additions. However, when many of them (impostors or not) retaliate against having more information written about them, something most spirits encourage and want, ESPECIALLY those wanting worship...I find that suspicious. And highly telling.

Resources on Goetics:

My resources on Goetics:

When I used to believe that Goetics were just uwu misunderstood spirits 

Spirit Interview with Duke Crocell

Spirit Interview with Prince /President Gaap

About Goetic Hell and Hellborns

“I thought most spirits didn’t like information?”

“What Goetics do you recommend avoiding?”

Decarabia Info Compilation

Prince Gaap Info Compilation

Duke Amduscias Info Compilation 

Others’ Resources on Goetics:

Note that I do not agree with all of the resources I provide below, as they are not my information nor my opinion. And of course as they are not mine, I do not claim credit for them. If you have a question concerning these resources, ask the original poster and not me.

General books:

The Lesser Key of Solomon

The Greater Key of Solomon

The Grimorium Verum

Pseudomonarchia Daemonum by Johann Weyer

The Book of Solomon’s Magic by Poke Runyon

The Grand Grimoire by Alibek

Malleus Maleficarum by Heinrich Kramer

Luciferian Goetia by Michael Ford

Book of the Black Serpent by Michael Ford

Dictionnaire Infernal

Other tumblr blogs:

www.littledoomwitch.tumblr.com/demon

http://carpetenebras.tumblr.com/,

Concerning Demonolatry:

http://demonolatry.org/

Daemonolatry Goetia by S. Connolly

Modern Demonolatry by S. Connolly

Demonic Hierarchies by S. Connolly

[child-of-the-luna]

How long have you worked with spirits of the Goetia?

A year as of the 27th of August! I should throw Stolas a party, make him, like, a bird seed cake. I’ve only worked with one, but I am planning on working with another at some point.

[magnummagician]

evocation of stolas

and when he came suddenly even the cold light of the stars above lpoked on me with the same assessment and interest as cars and church elders. the roar of crickets began to whisper it’s love song and the stones before me gleaned with how they wish to be used each correspondence coming to me like a whisper from behind a veil my senses narrated to me by the Prince of wortcunning and stargazing I smiled and I’m in my heart I knew to give in to him is to be used as well my own eye that sees into the void would become another lens for him to learn through

[infernnal]

"goetics are all evil! never work with them!"

eat my ass king paimon is Good

[malachitelibrary]

I assumed it was like that for a lot of entities/deities? Like, wanting to be worshiped because it gives them energy, and that they don't like to be asked too many questions.

Hmmm not exactly? A lot of entities/deities have PAGES and PAGES or lore, books, etc. From modern day and thousands of years ago. They WANT mythology written about them, they want more information available about them. Maybe not where they got their power and such (though often that is covered within lore as well) but still, there is often a LOT of information about deities out there.

However, with Goetics, there’s just what. One paragraph?? And then several renditions of the same paragraph, that say the exact same thing over and over? 

Sure, there’s theories for them such as them being “manifestations of the Will/Higher will”. Or “Manifestations of the conscious”. But neither of those allow for further questioning; WHAT are they, WHY/HOW are fallen angels suddenly “manifestations of the will/consciousness”? 

Like. Things that don’t tell about their power/weaknesses (and thus shouldn’t cause retaliation) that they DON’T have written about them are: 

Why/How they fell (for fallen angels) 

What are their favorite food/drink

Favorite atmosphere/associations/etc

Stories/Mythology about them

How they appear in human form 

Color associations (that they associate with themselves, not ones that people assigned to them) 

Animal associations

Their responsibilities/duties in hell 

Like. None of those hint at ‘sources’ power except maybe the first one. So why the super-hard retaliation at info-gathering? Tbh it wasn’t until after they started being aggressive at me that I decided to start looking into their power sources and all that jazz. 

[malachitelibrary]

Yeah, a lot of people’s experiences with goetic demons varies far and wide. 

But if there’s one thing I’ve always seen similar between practitioners, it’s that the goetics really don’t like being investigated.  

[malachitelibrary]

from your personal experiences, what goetic demons would you recommend staying away from?

Yooo okay so disclaimer first: this is OBVIOUSLY personal experience. OBVIOUSLY even if an entity is an asshole to 99% of people that’s still not EVERYONE and it’s POSSIBLE to have good experiences, though highly unlikely. 

39- M-lph-s. Dude. I’VE had bad experiences with him,along with @berrybel, @baalat-ov, @cloversinthecornfield, @dragonessofthelights, @thejackalofalltrades , @hyacinth-halcyon. For such a small community, that REALLY is a LOT of people. He is so bad that dude, even most Hellborns never want to be around him ever. Heck, even the other goetics  hate him too! ALSO both the Ars Goetia AND the Pseudomonarchia Daemoneum (which the Ars Goetia is based off of) cite him as a MAJOR FUCKING ASSHOLE. DO NOT TOUCH DO NOT PASS GO . So bad we made a callout post for him because he’s that much of an ass. 

34- F-rf-r. Bruh, if the Ars Goetia says they’re an asshole, they’re an asshole. End of discussion. Again, Me, Berrybel, Baalat-ov, cloversinthecornfield, and @sordhent have had troubles with him too. (Also all of their skills are literally killing shit/being terrifying soooo.) 

32: -smod-i: I’ve heard very mixed things about him, though he’s mainly super opportunistic in manipulation. Also won’t take no for an answer for many things soooo nope right on outta there. 

Alsooo NOT A GOETIC BUT- S*m*el. Dudee in actual Jewish lore he’s cited as an asshole (he wouldn’t stop harassing this lady until someone else chased him away, to make a long story super short). Also again, many many hellborns themselves hate him. Now, note that I have heard of a few people having decent experiences with him so of course Not All, BUT those people are few and far between (only two good iirc, relative to about 15 experienced spirit workers I have heard warning from). 

Other than that, I do not have enough information. But DEFINITELY 39, and I highly recommend you stay away from the other ones as well.