#hamille timeline

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https://www.tumblr.com/sunflower-home/617236941756301312/how-cherry-is-actually-related-to-dylan-rieder

Hi Gina, don’t know if you already saw this analysis. It makes so much sense!

Hi love. Yes. That’s an analysis that came out five or six years ago. And yes, it makes sense. I think, because that song took a long time to write IIRC, it’s partially his own experiences (with Louis), but also wrapped up in a way that it’s also for her.

For her. Not about her as Harry’s girlfriend.

What is going on? Are people literally just finding out about Hamille? I don’t want to have to go through that nonsense again. 😩

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i mean, weren't harry and louis together in 2017? why would he flirt with another woman? i'm really confused and a little sad abt that

Hi dear,

Harry is charming person. He isn't flirting, he is being playful and nice. And very blatantly and obviously joking. There is a difference. You clearly didn't click on the charming harry posts that I linked. They go over all of this in detail.

Have you ever met someone who is intensely charming? Because I have. They're my partner. And I can tell you that other people may get the wrong impression sometimes, but it has literally never been the case that they were actually flirting with anyone else. And if you know them, you would know it's their personality and magnetism.

Not to mention, Harry is incredibly drunk.

And yes, ofc him and Louis were dating then.

This anon has got it:

Tho he started publicly dating Camille a bit after the wedding. The wedding was June 3 2017. The fandom first heard about Camille on July 17 2017 on the heart rate monitor interview. They were announced on Elle on July 31 2017, right before his tour on Sept 19 2017. Then the breakup announcement was on July 30 2018, right after his tour finished on Jul 14 2018.

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Gina, remember when Harry referred to Camel as his ex-girlfriend in his first interview with Zane Lowe? A lot of people in the fandom went crazy, and I remember that was when the shippers really doubled down on the narrative that she was the love of his life and that she broke his heart. And I might be wrong or misremembering, but Harry did less for that PR relationship while it was happening than what he did for Hoe, and we all know how fake Hoe is. That’s why when I read that anonymous ask, I didn’t even flinch, because it’s just more of the same we’ve already seen before.

Yeah. They really pushed hard on making that album a heartbreak album. So he needed to sell it. Saying “my ex-girlfriend” was the one and only time he’s ever acknowledged any of these women and I think that’s a big part of why GF Harries cling to it.

But it was just as fake as all the others. One year contract, egged almost to the day.

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How long did it take from the Grimshaw interview to the first photos dropped? If you remember? I wasn’t in the fandom back then

Here’s a timeline on various moments of the early days of hamille. This one is laid out with photos. This is a longer explanation of how the whole relationship was tied to Fine Line. The first part is in Spanish, scroll down for English.

Here’s my HAMILLE tag in chronological order. The first photo of him and Camille was posted July 30, 2017. We also got a grainy video of them at a Fleetwood Mac concert. The interview with Nick happened mid July, just before Dunkirk premiered.

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I was looking for something in other blogs and I didn't know many larries believed hamille was real, Gina. Why do you think that is? Didn't anything Larry related happen during that period, or was the break up narrative really convincing? Because I remember he even sang still the one in MSG, iifc, etc., looking at the VIP box when Camille was supposedly in another section, and didn't she "tease" her "relationship" with Harry in insta?

People believed it because it was the first time H had ever uttered the words "my ex-girlfriend," because it was the first time his PR relationship lasted more than a couple of months, because everything about the promo was focused on how heartbroken he was and how the album was about their relationship, because he put her ass tattoo on the back of the album, because he stuck lyrics like "I miss your accent" and "beechwood cafe" into songs, because there were hamfisted images like an Eiffel Tower in the background of videos like the one for Falling. They made a concerted effort to drag that whole narrative out.

Add to it that a huge percentage of the current fandom came in because of Watermelon Sugar (which he/his team bent over backward making about "pussy") and COVID, so they missed the actual relationship and how obvious it was that it was the same old PR stunts it always is.

If you look at the timeline of their relationship, it couldn't be more obvious.

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Gina, i have been thinking about this. If Camille and harry were a stunt why did he do such heavy pr? Why did he have to write- "does he take you walking around his parents gallery" this is such a direct reference. He could have gone without including her so explicitly in his songs. Also he took her name directly in so many interviews too, that written interview in which he apparently broke down on seeing some sandals? Like all these things really gave an impression of him being a really heartbroken ex.

Well yes. Giving you the impression of a brokenhearted ex is what it was meant to do. The entire album was centered around falling in love, losing love, discovering oneself (IMO, because that’s what happened between Harry and Louis during the period he wrote the album).

Cherry was positioned to be a stunt song (with that specific lyric, with Zane Lowe directly asking him who the voice was at the end of the song, etc) Falling was positioned to be a stunt song (with the beechwood cafe lyric echoed in an interview with her where she mentions going there, with the allusions to France in the music video, etc). The whole album was positioned that way (tons of articles referencing her, the pineapple on the back of the album, the idiotic comment about the slippers, etc.)

I think the love and heartbreak is all very real. But directly speaking about who songs are about is the opposite of how he says he wants his music to be received. Beyond all of this, if you look at the timeline of their relationship, and the way the two of them behaved during it, it’s just obvious it was PR.

At the end of the day, what difference does it make? None of it makes any sense to me and watching it in real time didn’t make it any more real. But if you want to believe he actually dated her, go ahead.

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Camille is on the cover of the French version of Elle magazine and Theo is referred to as her fiancé who she met when she was 26 at a friend’s party and said it was love at first sight. That means they met 2016 when she was in a relationship with that other musician and she and Theo made their relationship official in July 2018… make your own conclusions but if she was in love with him (and he might with her as well) on first sight then this whole alleged Harry relationship thing is hilarious because how obviously staged that whole thing was and the whole fine line narrative with it as well. I bet you she and Theo got in a relationship early 2017 and just kept it secret because she had a contract signed with Harry already so she needed to keep the thing with Theo on the down low. That’s why she once said she wished she could tell her story regarding the album narrative for fine line but she can’t because her mouth is sealed closed because of an NDA and she can’t just blab about how this whole Harry thing just was for promo and to push her own career 🤭🤣

Quite a few people in the fandom knew she had a boyfriend (IIRC, they also knew it was Theo) the whole time she was “dating” Harry. But this article just makes it even more obvious. Are we supposed to believe it was “love at first sight” when she met him, but she decided to date someone else for a year first? And then as soon as they break up, she’s almost immediately seen with this guy? Please. But het harries love their fantasy of Camille breaking Harry’s heart and Fine Line being all about their deep love. 🙄

Give me a break.

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Hi! No Stunts here and I've low-key been getting questions about why Harry would only ever refer to Camille as his "Ex girlfriend" and no other PR stunt and I'm not certain how to answer them. What do you think?

Because Hamille was created to move Harry from being a “womanizer” to having his first long term relationship. Because the narrative for Fine Line was one of love and heartbreak. He needed a “muse” for that and a storyline that people would buy into. They went full force with Easter eggs and obvious lyrics and Harry “confirming” a relationship for the first time. And it worked.

But the actual “relationship” was as fake and ham-fisted as every other public one he’s ever had. The beginning of it was teased during promo for HS1, they had the same stupid sightings together, the same stupid articles were written about them being madly in love and meeting each other’s families, she was at some of his shows, blah blah blah, then it ended when his tour ended—almost exactly a year to the date that it started.