#iddsc

[celciusdiscourse]

I don't want to hear about how pansexuality is a redundant label and shouldn't be used bc of how it overlaps with bisexuality, until we also compare and pick a "winner" who's still allowed to exist from:

gay (woman) vs lesbian

gay vs homosexual*

sapphic vs wlw / achillean vs mlm

nonbinary vs genderqueer

FTM vs trans man vs AFAB man / MTF vs trans woman vs AMAB woman

transgender vs transexual*

gay vs queer**

agender vs neutrois

genderfluid vs bigender

But we generally don't do that, bc different labels have different intricacies, and different meaning to the ppl who use them. And we especially don't think it's acceptable to go up to someone who identifies as nonbinary and tell them "well, genderqueer is older and its Basically The Same, Right? so you can't call yourself nonbinary, that's erasing my genderqueerness".

And some of those words are synonyms with different culture or history, and some of them are different identities that share experiences, but the argument you're making ("if two labels have definitions that are too similar on the surface, or experiences that broadly overlap, then they can't coexist") applies to all of them.

So as a bi person, I don't fucking want to hear it. If you're targeting pansexuals for existing under a flag that feels like home to them, then you better follow your argument to its natural conclusion and evict the rest of us as well.

* there's a lot of discourse about how "homosexual" and "transexual" have negative history in the US and ppl are discouraged to use these words, but you can't ignore the fact that lots of older people, and ppl from other countries with different LGBTQ+ history, still can and do identify with either/both of those labels. So if you actually wanna go up to those people and tell them they can't use those words bc of your (a complete stranger's) discomfort, then you can kindly go fuck yourself.

** not everyone who's queer is gay, but everyone who's gay can choose to use queer in addition or instead. And sadly whether people are allowed to use queer is a source of frequent discourse, but it fucking shouldn't be. If someone introduces himself as a queer man, you better fucking respect that.

[celciusdiscourse]

I especially don't want to see any enbies being panphobic on this cursed fucking site. Y'all realize at least half, if not most, of the "pansexuality is biphobic and transphobic 🥺" people think the "all" in the definition means "men, women, trans ppl" bc they don't think nonbinary genders are a thing at all?

Case in point, the absolute fuckface I addressed in the post before this one, who on their own blog misdefined pansexuality while completely ignoring the existence of enbies, and also rbs from a known "nb-critical" blogger.

A blogger who is also a panphobe bc of fucking course he is.

And this goes out to everyone of any gender actually - next time you see a panphobe, give their blog a quick peek, see how they feel about nonbinary ppl. Istg, it's like a fucking feedback loop of self-serving gatekeepy rot and toxicity.

[celciusdiscourse]

The thing about this “all pan ppl are just bi actually” discourse that gets me every time is.... even if you were right, what the fuck do you think animosity toward people’s labels would solve?

You think pan people are just gonna go “oh my god you’re so right, I’m so sorry o’ wise one, I’ll abandon everything I previously identified with and kiss your knuckles right now--”

Like. 

The people who say that shit are always so damn hostile toward pan people and their choice of label/community. Even if you manage to convince a pan person to re-identify, you really think they’ll want to associate with your frigid ass? 

After you’ve treated them like complete shit and accused them of being perpetrators of biphobia just by proxy of their personal label?

“but somebody needs to make them aware of the problematic parts of their community--” okay, and how exactly is mocking them, invalidating them, and alienating them going to do that?? Last time somebody used those tactics to call out “problematic” occurrences in another community, the entire a-spec community was forced to focus just on proving their own validity and worthiness for basic respect, and nuanced discussion of inter-community issues became practically impossible.

Either reexamine your attitude and realize that if you really think pan people are all bi-in-denial, then the only thing you’re accomplishing is being a huge bitch to parts of what you assume is your own community - or you can admit that “protecting bi people/the community” just isn’t your actual goal with how you treat people.

[celciusdiscourse]

Since I’m throwing out seemingly-rarely-discussed opinions on intercommunity wank now:

There is no justifiable reason for anyone to diss on a-spec communities and their symbols.

Even if you’re one of Those People who thinks being a-spec doesn’t make someone inherently LGBTQ+, there are still a-spec people of ““valid”” SAM orientations in your ““valid”” communities - and let me just make this next bit extra big so any shits who need to see this receive it loud and clear - 

and they are allowed to be proud of the ace/aro part of their identity just as much as any other.

Not that they need our permission at all, thanks.

[celciusdiscourse]

Ah yes, truscum discourse, otherwise known as the "we can't agree whether dysphoria means incongruence or distress, and that's the root of 80%* of our arguments" discourse

*the other 20% are "nb ppl don't exist until the moment they are researched by neurologists, at which point, much like a quantum particle, the act of observing them brings them into existence!" and "we mean different things when we use a word, so I'm going to misgender you now"

[celciusdiscourse]

New plan to reduce community infighting over who matters more and who matters less:

from now on, the acronym will be arranged in alphabetical order.

ABGILQT - or as I like to put it, Abigail Cutie.

[celciusdiscourse]

OP of the "transmeds are traitors post" is an ace exclusionist. Thought I'd let you know.

Christ, I did not know that. Thank you for the heads up, deleting my rb.

We really need an equivalent to shinigami eyes, but one that highlights aphobes and other types of bigots.

[celciusdiscourse]

...

*wii music fades in softly in the bg*

And what did actually happen when they were told the exact thing they claim to have been the correct response?

So can exclusionists like...................stop rubbing their lying hands all over unrelated posts 🙄

while I’m at it, here’s some more reasons to block this asshat (don’t bother interacting tho. despite claiming to want ppl to point out when he’s being an asshole, it’s pretty clear he only means it for things he would’ve done anyway, like jumping to the more acceptable form of assholery that is “the only non-straight sexualities are gay and bi”):

exclusionist, panphobe, nbphobe, truscum, queerphobe....... and still has the gall to put “anti-terf” in his bio.