#jake otto

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That other anon is on to something. It would make such a cool AU if Jake/Troy/Nick/Alicia all went off on their own together. Oh what we could have had if Jake hadn’t got bit and the dam storyline never happened.

Maybe you two should connect and write it 😁

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Why do you think Jake didn’t offer to go with Troy when he was banished? By then, it was clear the Otto’s were no longer in charge and Madison had taken over. Hadn’t Jake also already mentioned to Alicia about possibly going to Portland(?) by that point as well? Jake should have just asked Alicia and Nick to go with him and Troy to a new settlement and say screw Madison and the ranch.

Hi Nonny! Jake following Troy into exile is an interesting idea and I'd definitely like Jake a whole lot more if he did do that. Or, you know, had the balls to stand up to Taqa and Madison about exiling Troy. The fact that he didn't is, unfortunately, very in character I'd say. There's two major motivators for this, and these are, in no particular order a) "jake is weak" (as stated by Taqa) and b) Jake being kinda glad that Troy is gone. About a) They show us pretty early on that Jake is the more level-headed and also the one trying to solve things by talking and negotiating. He does prefer a negotiated peace more than trying to hold the land by force. Consider also: he is not part of the militia, not from what we've seen. In conclusion, he wasn't unhappy about Walker and his people coming to the ranch (see also his little speech that first night). He's hoping things will work out and that they can work together. Troy, of course, is a major obstacle in this. Jake knows this from the very beginning (also note, Jake's been suspiciously absent that night when they came for Troy's weapons - did he suspect Troy would do something stupid? Who knows…). Which leads us to b) I think Jake (as well as Madison, though this isn't about her) were both afraid of what Troy would do once they shared the land. While before both have happily used Troy's uh.. penchant for solving things violently to their end (Jake in episode 8, after Ophelia poisoned the militia "Just do whatever the hell you can, Troy. Do something" and Madison in episode 7, where she's manipulating Troy into going behind Jake's back to break the parley and get Alicia back). It was convenient then since they were at war. But Troy (and his violence) are very inconvenient now. So both are glad, I think, that he got rid of himself (in a way). You can also see that in that talk in episode 9 between Troy and Jake - right before Troy is taken away. "You can't come back" Jake says to him. Then Toy tells him he doesn't blame him. Instead of replying to that or even acknowledging it, Jake says "Never, Troy." It's crucial for him that Troy gets that part. I suppose an argument could be made that this could read as concern (if Troy comes back, he'll be killed) but Jake doesn't appear empathetic in that scene - not at all. He seems fed up. The way he asks "why?" after Troy tells him, he wants Madison to take him into exile, there's a sharpness there. He suspects that Troy is planning something. And he wants to get in front of that. Scared again of what Troy might pull… Also, fact that he's scared of what Troy will do is true for his running-away plan, too; if he would take Troy with him, I'm sure he fears that Troy will find a way to fuck things up there, too. Start another war perhaps (he does blame Troy for it when it comes to Walker - the breaking of the parley. Pretty sure no one cleared things up for him and told him it was Madison who was the driving force behind that decision. (And even if so, I'm not so sure Jake has enough objectivity to take that information at face value. Troy and him have a past after all and that colors everything pertaining to Troy)). So to me, the whole thing looks like Jake is secretly glad that Troy got banished. That way, he doesn't have to worry about him anymore or try to keep him in line (which never quite worked out, did it). I also think that was the main dynamic in their relationship, starting from when they were little (consider what Jeremiah says to Jake in that video tape in episode 3 "Jake, tend to your brother!" in a very exasperated tone). Jake always had to manage Troy (even though that should not be his responsibility, at all). And so it continued. We see this also happen in the first episode already and then again in episode 3 when he warns Troy off the Clarks. Being free of that worry, why would he invite that back into his life?

Also, about your point that it was clear by the time Jake asked Alicia to run away with him that Madison was the one in charge and not him… I'm not sure whether Jake much cares about that. He said once before that the ranch follows whoever they deem worthy (Alicia asked him who will take over if Jeremiah dies. He said the ranch will fall to Troy and him at first but the people decide among themselves who will lead them. And if you watch the scenes where Jake adresses the people of the ranch (episode 3 and episode 9 come to mind) you will see that he doesn't exactly have their ear). Yes, there's at least one scene where he does assert authority over Madison but that was when Jeremiah was still alive. Once he's dead, Jake very quickly rolls over (happens so in episode 9, when they come for the weapons).

Edit: I suppose this last part also kinda belongs to a) "Jake is weak". Oh well 😅

I hope this answers your question. If not, feel free to send me follow up asks anytime!

Thank you so much for your question and have a gret day 🧡

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ok so. i'm trying to find the scene in season 3 of FTWD where jake talks (to alicia) about going away/leaving the ranch (and going to his aunt's place - i think?). if anyone knows in which ep it occurs, let me know and i'd be forever grateful (im going a little crazy here, trying to find it ^^0)

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