#jon's claim

[fedonciadale]

Hi! I've read that Jon has positive memories of Sansa but when he learned about her marriage with Tyrion n involvement in regicide why he has no thoughts on them? I'm not saying that he should go rescue her like arya bcoz it's not possible as he didn't know where was she but at least he give thoughts about her whereabouts like she is also in forces marriage n his opinion on Tyrion also can Change.

Hi there!

In contrast to fArya who is at Winterfell, Sansa married Tyrion while Jon was with the wildlings. He didn’t hear about her marriage to Tyrion, Joffrey’s death and her disappearance until after he rejoined the Night’s Watch. Also at the time he hears about Sansa’s marriage he is Black brother who is on probation so to say.

So, the difference couldn’t be bigger: a) Jon’s situation: Lord Commander vs. Black Brother in disgrace b) the situation of the sister: married to a man who is known for his brutality vs. married to a man whom Jon considers a friend (however ill advised this might be) and c) the whereabouts of the sister: in Winterfell (which Jon knows in and out) vs. whereever.

So, to all the people who say: If he loved Sansa the same as Arya, he would try to rescue her as well... to which I answer: HOW, HOW.

And I would also add, that even though he thinks he knows where (f)Arya is, he still tries his best not to break his oath to the watch by sending Mance to infiltrate Winterfell.

It is only, after he thinks that his plan failed, and the vague hope that Melisandre’s viewing of the ‘girl in grey’ might turn out to be true, came to nothing, that he takes action, not as Lord Commander, but as a leader who hold the allegiance of some of the Freefolk (which he did not have at the time Sansa married.).

So, he can’t do anything about Sansa, he just can’t. And that is why he doesn’t think of her. He tends to think about the problems he can do something about. About rescuing as many of the Freefolk as he can. But he does not waste energy to do things he can do nothing about. He is quite practical in that regard. Efficient, intelligent. That does not mean that he feels nothing about it.

Because, as to how he sees Sansa, that can be easily answered. Stannis calls her Lady Lannister, repeatedly, and what does Jon say:

“Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa.”

This tells you all you need to know. Despite her marriage to Tyrion, despite her disapperance, for Jon she is the rightful ruler of Winterfell, even is she is not available at the moment. And he is prepared to step back for her claim, when she is not even fucking there to stake her claim. If that is not love, I just don’t know.

Thanks for the ask!

[fedonciadale]

Apparently kit confirmed that Jon will never be as happy as he was with Ygritte? What does that mean for Jonsa? Will it be a purely political marriage? At this rate I wish Sansa would marry someone else, some Northern Lord at least good at heart and with less baggage then Jon whom she can build a loving marriage with. Honestly does the North even need or want Jon post parentage reveal? They hate the Targs, Jon is a Targ, they need him as a commander in the war but afterwards the Northern Lords

are fickle and won’t suddenly forget he’s a targ, and how will marrying a targ help Sansa retain Northern Indpenence? Unless you believe in a unified Westeros under Jon and Sansa, even so, would Westeros even want Jon after the war? I’m pretty certain his Targ aunt is gonna unleash fire and blood, it makes no sense, no matter Jons accomplishments no one will want an inch of targ blood ruling them at the end, too much pain and way too risky.

Dear nonny,

I answer this together with another ask I got about Kit’s interviews: this one:

Hi, I’m really sad bc I just read this and now I’m scared political!Jon isn’t a thing, but also Jon has definitely lied in the past :/ “Jon is someone who plays by the book. He cannot lie,” Kit Harington said in the same TV Insider feature. “Finding out about Dany would be very hard for him.”  What do you think?? 

We are talking about the actor here who said “Jon is dead” with a straight face for almost a year. Even when someone told him, that they had seen him with the cast, he said, that he was needed to play Jon’s corpse. Do people honestly think, that any of the actors will just give anything important away? Did this ever happen in seven seasons? Honestly, they say things that are safe, they deflect, they lie *gasp*. Sophie has been teasing DarkSansa and even a dalliance with Littlefinger until finally she was allowed to say, that Littlefinger was an asshole after season 7. You know it is fun to speculate about the actor’s statements and interviews, but people take it too serious. They are not giving their honest opinion, their job- for which they are paid! - is to promote the show, and if there is one thing consistent about what the actors say, it is that they tease storylines that never happen, that they tell some truths - like awesome battles - and might even say something vaguely teasing true storylines. I just remind you of the Starkbowl teasing before Season 7.And Kit telling us that he thinks that Jon was happiest with Ygritte or whatever is a perfect example for what all people involved in the show do - to a larger or lesser degree. 

Honestly, Kit tells us that Jon cannot lie? After Ygritte? After Jon held back the truth about his resurrection for a season?  

So, now, we have this out of the way, we can talk about the Northern Lords. Most of all the North wants representation a say in how they are governed. Remember that they initially just wanted to free Ned who had ruled them and done well. They only bid for Independence after Joffrey made clear that he would not listen to the legitimate grievances of the North. So I am quite sure, that the Northern Lords would be o.k. with any system that allows for their opinion to be heard. Having a king that was raised in the North and holds to Stark values is not the worst way to accomplish this. There are multiple options : Jon and Sansa could build a capital in the North, maybe even Winterfell, a great council could become a permanent proto-parliament to check the power of the king, Jon and Sansa could live in the South and make regular tours, they could take seasonal tours, Summer in the North, Autumn in the East, Spring in the West, Winter in the South or any variant of this. 

And if Jon does play a major role in defeating the WW as well as in taking Da€nerys down, the North might also be grateful and forgive him for being a Targ, especially if he renounces Targ traditions, marries into one of the great families of Westeros, founds a new house. 

Also, after a severe civil war that all but destroyed the Riverlands, after a threat that nearly annihilated humanity, people (and the Northern Lords) will thirst after peace most of all. Peace and stability. And a king who probably will be the only one left with a legitimate claim, a system that allows for better representation might just be enough to ensure a compromise - because GRRM might just be realistic enough to depict that in war it is like in life. You don’t get what you want all the time and you should be satisfied with what you might get.

Thanks for the ask!