#jse discourse

[lady-raziel]

if u don’t want to address/ answer this its totally fine!! i just saw that in the thing you posted talking about sean’s merch, you said that he had some other problematic things he’s done, although i’m not 100% how u worded it lol. if you don’t mind, can u elaborate on that?

i know there are other people who could probably tell you more of the specifics, but know some of them are the fact that he sometimes makes edgy jokes that can border into offensive territory (for example, earlier this year while on a stream with mark, bob, and wade, mark said he thought he was getting sick to which sean immediately joked that it was because he had covid. it was inappropriate because at the time because asian people of all types were facing a lot of hate and discrimination because some saw them as “bringing covid into their communities” because of the virus’s origin. because mark is half-asian, the joke was in pretty bad taste).

earlier this year Sean also played a pretty homophobic and transphobic game, which he has since taken down the video of, but it was pretty hurtful to people that he played the game in the first place and then didn’t think through how it might come off when he posted it.

There’s also a history of Sean not doing his research as much as he should with people who work for him, (and i guess this merch art thing falls into this category as well, as it seems the artist didn’t create an original work and just combined someone else’s art that they thought was public domain with clipart). Last year an editor who briefly worked for him was revealed to be a massive homophobe and posting wildly inappropriate jokes on twitter. Sean’s not to blame for this content, but the issue is that he sometimes doesn’t do enough background checking, which keeps landing him in situations where he’s responsible for the wrongdoings of these people by association. 

reportedly ( i don’t know if it was ever confirmed 100%) there was also a situation where gifts brought to him by fans during his tour were disposed of after sean had taken a few pictures with them for social media, and that sean hadn’t prohibited gifts and said they would be shipped back to his home, yet he actually just threw the gifts away because he didn’t have room at home.

i think it’s also got a lot to do with some of the people in his life (which i might say i don’t think is fair, sean has a right to associate with who he wants in his personal life and fans don’t have a right to dictate who he is and isn’t allow to know) including his girlfriend  Evelien (who’s been accused of being racist) and Pewdiepie, who has a whole host of controversy associated with him.

I think those are some of the main reasons why people have problems. There may be more, but i don’t know. 

Overall I would say that I don’t think Sean is an inherently problematic person, he’s just done some occasional problematic things. I don’t think he’s the worst ever and in general I’ve enjoyed most of the content of his I watched. I don’t think dogpiling and lashing out at him with vicious hate is the right answer here, because I think that doesn’t help anyone. I believe as a whole Sean tries to be a genuinely good person, he’s just made some mistakes that have hurt people or have been offensive. 

I think it’s important to bring up the problematic things a person has done in a respectful way and not instantly “cancel” them. A lot of the time, a person may not even know that what they’re doing is offensive or has the potential to inflict harm on a group of people, and it’s important accept the issues, but not instantly demonize a person and try to explain why what was done was wrong. The way a person is and the things they do are different, and actions can be corrected and not taken again if it’s explained properly to the person why it was wrong. 

I think if the issues people have with Sean are addressed in the right way, and he actually listens, then there’s a lot of progress to be made. The truth is we’re all human, and we’re all problematic to some extent. We can all make mistakes; what’s important is learning why those mistakes were mistakes and then trying to be better and grow. I think Sean has the potential to do that, as he’s seemed to genuinely apologize and try to right his actions for some of the items on this list. 

The truth is I don’t watch Sean as much as I used to and don’t post about him on here anymore not because I think he’s bad, but just because I haven’t really vibed with his content in a while, it just didn’t sound entertaining to me and that’s alright, and I was always just kind of passively into the ego stuff, never really inclined to make a lot of stuff about it.

TL:DR: Sean has done some things in the past that were ill-advised or offensive, but I don’t think that instantly makes him an inherently terrible person. Problematic actions are different from being problematic. What’s important is to try to recognize those actions, bring them up respectfully, and encourage the person to grow and not do it again.

[the-inevitability-of-death]

It’s sorta weird thinking about how much has changed in four years. Like four years ago, mark and Sean were sorta known as the “dynamic duo” and the whole thing was septiplier and all that but now it’s always mark and ethan are the dynamic duo and idk it warms my heart I love mark and ethan together more than mark and Sean

Yeah, I've never been into Septiplier or Mark/Sean content in general. I think Sean made it weird as far as ship stuff goes and in addition to other things he's said and done, he's not my favorite person.

I'm sure you've all seen the charity stream announcement thing where Mark and Ethan were called the "dynamic duo" but it really is true and they know it.

[waywardnajsepticeye]

I’m seein some weird lookin discourse (at this point, can i even call it that?).

And if you are looking for my opinion in this situation?

Mark and Sean are two different people. Two different minds. Two different ways to show their creativity. Two different stories.

[tiny-crecher]

not to be controversial but that fact that seemingly no one cares that Seán said the f slur pisses me off so goddamn much

[justarandomjseblog]

Vent warning/heavy topic.

I feel this... huge sense of guilt now. Seán seems much more tired with this than ever, and I feel that the end is approaching faster than we realize. Maybe it’s just he hasn’t found that spark again, and it’ll just take time, but it feels like he’s just doing this out of obligation. Maybe it’s just this year. That fear that something horrible will happen.

There is no such thing as “the old Seán” or “the new Seán”. But I have sensed a shift. Whether that is because of the pressures of his business or not is unknown. I just wish we had a way of reaching out and telling him there’s still some good in the community. That there are still people here who love his content no matter what. He seems to have lost a lot of the confidence he had and in return, has to compensate for it with pride.

[riredrhodyblog]

Entitlement and Stan Culture

Let’s have what I hope will be a very amicable discussion on the subject.

Someone recently “ratted” me out to blue-shaded, a toxic so-called tea blogger who spends most of their time trying to cancel Seán and Evelien while simultaneously accusing anybody who pokes holes in said accusations of having too much time on their hands.

(Slight pause whilst the hypocrisy steeps into the teapot.)

Naturally, blue’s response to the Anon was to call me a “stannie,” which I find hilarious. I don’t use words like “stan” or “ship,” in their current vernacular and I’ll tell you why.

I’ve never engaged in either of these behaviors.

Stans and shippers tend to feel this sense of entitlement towards the entertainers they watch. A lot of them think they have control over the lives of the people to whom (in the case of YouTubers and Twitch Streamers) they give Watch Time.

The classic “You owe me” mentality.

This is typical behavior for a stan.

I don’t blame the nine year old girl. I blame her sibling.

Let’s just assume, for the sake of providing a counterpoint, that this story is true. Where is it goddamn written that Seán— or anyone else who entertains for a living— is obligated to stop and talk to every single person he encounters?

But... but... Seán has stopped in public before and has spoken to viewers!

Okay then. To use another example where a fan has taken a mile where an inch was given: Gabriel Iglesias has told people to come up to him anytime they see him. However, I remember a few years ago when Fluffy Tweeted about a fan that became far too pushy; wanting pictures taken when Gabriel’s son Frankie was both younger and with him at the time.

ENTERTAINERS HAVE LIVES, PEOPLE!

This is why boundaries need to be both set and respected. Just because a person is famous that doesn’t mean they have to let you approach them every time they’re in public.

Also, if this supposed encounter in Brighton had happened more recently:

WE’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING PANDEMIC!

Social distance, remember?

Following this Ask, blue posted:

This kind of coaxing and love bombing is abusive and shouldn’t be allowed on Tumblr, or any other Platform!

@support

[iamonlyperson]

So saw the tweet, heard people started bitting about it. Imma say something too then.

If you don't have any cats, then you clearly don't know how their acting or doing. Im not gonna say its their fault. Shits happens. That's life. They said he gets surgery. So why you mad? He'll be fine. If yall starting shitting about this then go eat dick because like i said its not their fault.

[nixiesdiscoursesblog]

Maybe ya'll say i'm a bitch but i don't like those "donating to smaller youtubers" videos. I didn't watch them because the idea of them leave bad taste in my mouth. Don't get me wrong, it's cool that he wants to help out but video? Everytime people talk about how they financialy supported someone i'm like: dude! you donated to actually support someone or you want people to talk about you and how cool and generous you are?