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Thank you to @justanotheruntitled04​ for proposing and collaborating with me on another themed series of video clips featuring Noémie, Adèle, and Céline :):) We present to you:

The Eroticism of Womans

Links: 1,2,3,4,5 | 6,7,8,9,10 | 11

[Check out our first collaboration: Best screenplay in Cannes]

[Previous super cuts: Sports Metaphors, I got lost, Voilà, Womans]

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Any tips on how to find Les Drapeaux de Papier with English subs? Or just an SRT file ? I have searched EVERYWHERE and didn’t think it even existed.

Well search no longer my friend! Subs didn’t exist until @justanotheruntitled04 and @ladyonfire28 created them. This was a large undertaking so please make sure to thank them for their kind service ❤️

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@justanotheruntitled04 replied to your post “I picture Trish giving Theo spontaneous blanket hugs from behind, like...”

The idea of Trish being so super super respectful and mindful to Theo every time they made contact is just so sweet even though maybe sometimes she’s just stressed out and tired and just wanna hug and cuddle but still ask Theo before she goes in.

I just don’t see how it could work any other way. I think it would be so hard for Theo to pull an Olivia and live in a state of plausible deniability because Theo’s issues with touch are so much more intrusive on every moment and aspect of her life. I feel like Theo can’t hide that from a life partner with whom she would be closely cohabitating.

So then that leads to all the ways touch and Theo’s boundaries and the degree to which she can tolerate touch and the circumstances under which she can be touched would need to be addressed. And I really feel like Theo is a cat. Like you have to put yourself in the same room as she inhabits, but you have to give her space once you’re there with her. You have to let her suss you out and feel you out and assess what your deal is and approach you. You ever thrust your hand in a cat’s face trying to get them to like you? They flinch back and sniff you and then if you try to pet them, they might arch away from your touch. Like, yeah, they’ve smelled you, that’s great, but that doesn’t mean that they trust you and you have free rein to do as you wish. In my mind, that’s Theo. She needs to give permission, she needs to have control of her territory, she needs to decide if she wants to curl up in your lap or flop up against your body just to absorb your body heat or just hang out with you from ten feet away--all on her terms and on her time.

I mean, you can give signs of encouragement. Kitties don’t like all the scrutiny. Like if you’re watching them all the time and looking them in the eyes, they’re not into that, y’know? So I feel like giving a lot of explicit permission to be able to bail out of a situation would make Theo feel safe. She needs to be able to say that something is too much and not fear blowback or derision or doubt. Trish would need to demonstrate that not only could she offer that out but that she would stick to her word. No means no. Consent is a huge deal for Theo. It’s part of why Nellie grabbing her hands got such a huge reaction from Theo. 

I don’t see how Theo gets comfortable otherwise without exhausting herself and, quite frankly, I’m not sure Theo has enough emotional energy in the tank to do her job and then come home and have to put in more emotional labor to put up a front of being able to tolerate unsolicited and unwanted and overly stimulating touch. I think those ground rules really need to be set. (Theo barely has leftover energy for the emotional labor of being polite to those who are “close” to her. XD) Theo needs to relax and I’m not sure Theo can/does ever relax around people for all the above. She needs to be shown it’s okay to relax because it’s safe to relax.

This seemed the obvious thing to me but I have wondered if Theo’s abilities lessen somewhat or if she’s gone through a major shift in her state of mind that we see her going without gloves casually in the final scenes. Like has she hit that stage of “acceptance” and come what may? Does it make it less intense if she’s more chillax about it--or is Theo just better about receiving it, processing it, taking it in/letting it wash over and pass over? ??????????? That cold turkey decision made me really nervous for her, honestly.

But also the other day I started imagining how this could devolve into a Pushing Daisies scenario of schemes to “touch” without direct contact and I started laughing wildly to myself.

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justanotheruntitled04 replied to your post “[[MOR] So much of my thoughts on Trish revolve around Trish’s...”

Spot on my friend! Hahah the extent of the family/relative. And the doctor/not doctor thing is so true lol. Trish at some point tells Theo about the troubles she got herself into when her parents found out about her having the first tattoo, “are you a gangster now?! That’s why you have tattoo?” Wonder if Theo has any visual tattoo? At one point I’d like to think she asks if Theo would like to have one, but Theo being so sensitive about her skin, would not want to have any? ��‍♀️

AhahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes.

The tattoos are Levy Tran’s own tattoos, but it’s interesting to have to work that into Trish’s back story--like when did Trish really commit to getting a ton of tats? I can already picture the head shake of disapproval from Trish’s mom, the hard look of disappointment in her eyes. 

I’ve debated if “Trish” is Trish’s given name or a chosen American name. I have a few cousins who “Americanized” their names. Like I could see a story from her name going from given name Trinh-->Trish through a series of misreadings that she decided to make stick.

(Not unlike what it seems like Levy did, flipping Vy Le.)

Yeah, I can’t imagine Theo getting a tat. I mean, I wonder if Theo knows what it’s like to get a tat anyway from others’ experience, like residual memories or impressions she might have gleaned off of Trish, who’s been through that experience a number of times. XD

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@justanotheruntitled04, I made the mistake of not putting a cut in the original post, so to save everyone from the length, gonna move our conversation to a new post:

Stacey do you think they developed more of a relationship after the wedding? Maybe a couple more dates? Or it gotten serious but something changed and possibly leave Theo scarred that she started the pussy parade after that?

My gut reaction is to say that there wasn’t more to what happened between Stacey and Theo than what happened at the wedding. Like, for me, what seems most notable is that Theo didn’t wait until after the reception to make a move but seduced Stacey right then and there, in the house, with all the guests downstairs. Like, Theo! But that makes me wonder if Theo and Stacey spent time together after the reception at all or because Theo had already worked her magic if that gave Theo an opportunity to take her leave at the reception’s end. No having Stacey stay overnight with her, in other words.

But it was so flirty while Theo and Stacey were dancing that you wonder if they might have spent more time together. I don’t know, I’m so thrown off the more I think about it. I hope Nellie got the full story out of Stacey.

Can we talk about the bed scene. Theo seems very satisfied. Then she starts to smoke and Trish starts asking all the questions! You can see her expression change, she gives out a big sigh like “oh gosh not again”, and gives off the cold expression, especially the comment about her living in a funeral home, you see that eye brows raise?! I think she had been in this situation before with previous women she brought home.

We can see that Trish is trying hard to get more from Theo as she starts to share more about herself that is when Theo has it and starts putting on her gloves, like she’s done!

When Theo says she’s a germaphobic and following with Trish respond that she’s not offended, I can see that Theo realizes or feels guilty? that she might had unintentionally hurts Trish’s feeling. With her realizing it, she turns, touches and assures Trish that she enjoyed their little encounter as an nondirective apology for her rudeness. But why does she care anyways if it’s just a one night stand? There must be something she feels/sees from Trish that she doesn’t want her to feels hurt this way.

Theo putting on her gloves--before any other article of clothing--is definitely a sign that all the barriers are coming up. I mean, Trish is just trying to make regular small talk, but Theo is 100% not interested in even giving out the most basic information about herself. All we know for sure that Theo has told Trish is 1) her name and 2) her address. XD

I mean, Theo has basic manners. She’s not a complete asshole. Trish lets Theo know that she was a bit offended by Theo’s answer that she’s a germaphobe. Trish says, “That’s okay. None taken.” Meaning “no offense taken,” meaning that was a careless, offensive thing for Theo to say, so Theo doesn’t directly apologize, just as Trish didn’t directly say that Theo was being an asshole, and smooth things over. It was a fun night, Theo has the sense to not leave everyting on a sour note, so she gives Trish a bit of reassurance. 

Can we also talk about Trish in the second bar scene, I like that she doesn’t approach Theo after she looks away! I understand the disappointment but I appreciate that she respects Theo and not to be invading her space.

Contradicting to the time she shows up at the funeral without Theo telling her to. This is after the booty call, the heart felt words about her day.

Trish seems to understand Theo a bit better. She sticks around even after Theo “fuck my day” and walks away! She accepts Theo apology and decides to stay and support Theo even though Theo initially against it. So Trish does see something from Theo that worth this effort!

Yes I want to know more what Trish is thinking!! What makes her want to stick around and be more patience to someone like Theo!? Yes especially with all the red flags you mentioned.

This is actually interesting and I wonder if Trish saw Theo’s moment of honesty and vulnerability as permissive, that is, Theo called Trish over that night and then Theo basically cried and told Trish about her horrible, no good day, and Trish only realizes the extent of how much pain and loss Theo might have been feeling when she sees the obituary in the newspaper. So then, having a bigger picture of what Theo was trying to forget/comfort herself/medicate herself about with the sex with Trish, Trish decides to go to the funeral.

Personally, I’d probably be just as stunned/confused/pissed as Theo. It wasn’t Trish’s business and everything that had happened the night before had been under Theo’s directive and a conscious decision to share.

Theo’s a bit of a control freak, not unlike Shirley, if for different reasons, and so for Trish to invade her privacy in this uninvited fashion was highly alarming. 

I don’t know if Trish understands Theo a bit better or if she just has a level of stubborn and being undeterred to match Theo’s level of stubborn and inscrutable. Like the more of a mystery Theo makes herself, the more Trish might be attracted to the mystery? That may be Trish’s deal. To want to study sociology does indicate a person who wants to understand human behavioral patterns and Theo might be a thought problem Trish is looking to upack. 

And the booty call scene, Trish’s response “I don’t know, I mean what do people usually talk about?” Something about this makes me think how innocent/inexperience it is for Trish, it’s like she’s never been in a relationship or something? When I saw the gifset about this scene before watching the show, I thought it was Theo that says those words, that Theo never been in a serious relationship that she doesn’t know what normal couples usually talk about?

I don’t read anything naive or unusual about Trish finding to find a topic of conversation as opposed to Trish being so thrown about how Theo doesn’t observe the rules of basic social etiquette? Trish would like to talk a bit and learn about this woman--she’s a lesbian, c’mon, and her efforts are really just an extension of what Trish was trying to do that first night, i.e. have a conversation--and here’s Theo just wanting to make out with her. Trish is trying to find a wedge to get more out of Theo and Theo is blocking her efforts. If anything, Trish asking tells me that she wants the rhythms of a start of a normal relationship and is frustrated with Theo for thwarting her efforts to get at a normal start. It feels more like Trish trying to make a case that maybe a little normality needs to be asserted here.

Like you says Trish character is a blank slate, so please enlighten us with more of your thoughts about her thoughts of Theo, if possible :)

I think about Trish a lot, particularly in my head as a Vietnamese American (I’m ignoring that the show gave her the Korean last name “Park” in the credits, let’s just let her be Vietnamese, it’ll be good for Western viewers to get an idea of what Vietnamese people look like) and while I have ideas about her--and what Theo might pick up from her contact with Trish--I think I realize that I’d project so much onto Trish that suddenly it felt way too revealing. XD 

I apologize if any parts don’t make sense or some parts that you already mentioned.

No apologies! I know these take times and I appreciate that you make the effort!

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@justanotheruntitled04 replied to your photo “It didn’t occur to me until right now how strange this is. Ever since...”

Nooo keep the show in your system. I like reading them :) I can’t tell you how much joy I got from reading them!! I don’t know what to respond beside agreeing with you wholeheartedly. I giggled at some points (from other posts as well) of how cute some of the images you instill in your words. I want to respond to every post but I’m taking too long to write them (excuse my grammar) so I just gave up. So please keep more thoughts coming!! I’m looking forward to read them everyday (and reread them)

One thing I want to point out to is that Theo leaves Trish number where it was left. When she talks to Shirl and so quick and certain to tell her that Trish is not coming back! Then why still keep the number and not toss it away. I do want to know what did she feel/see about Trish that deep down she does want to see her again contradicting to her telling Shirl.

Also the second time where they’re at the bar, Theo’s looking around and she recognizes Trish from behind even before Trish turns around. and starts to fixated on her for a period of time and she does that slow blink and for me it’s kinda like a yearning look? But she turns away as Trish’s approaching, it’s like she fears something, fears that she might has more feelings for Trish than she already allow herself to be!

Aw, thank you for taking the effort to reply! I don’t really write these expecting replies, I tend to write these because the thoughts in my head are too loud so I might as well write them. Your grammar is great. :)

Yes, yes, yes. The number is interesting. 1) Trish leaves it presumably without prompting; Trish helped herself to some scrap envelope lying around and left her number. For a woman who is clearly perfunctorily kicking Trish out of her home. Like... Trish wanted this woman to call her back??? Which, again, Trish, look at her, she’s gorgeous but this one seems like maybe a bit of a hot mess? Why was Trish so intrigued is a question at the forefront of my mind. Theo is flashing all these red flags and it seems to reflect that Trish has some poor judgment to want to pursue her.

Did Trish not mind being a booty call? Does Trish have a bad girl fetish, like some belief she can turn a “bad” girl--honestly, just distant--good? Savior complex? Whaaaat?

2) Theo doesn’t touch the envelope. It remains exactly where Trish left it, number displayed prominently in an offer? A temptation? I mean, did Theo just regard it as a possible booty call resource in the future?

YES at the club. This is one of the interesting sequences. In fairness, it’s not hard to recognize Trish even from behind: Trish has the tats on display and Theo’s gotten an up close look at them. The slow blink Theo gives is actually when Theo and Trish make eye contact and acknowledge one another. Theo’s eyse widen just a bit, you can see it, and it’s hard to read what is happening in her expression. Theo doesn’t turn away until Trish starts to approach.

But there’s a sense that something was going on there that Theo had given Trish such a long look. It wasn’t dismissive, not initially, assessing maybe, hesitant, considering, held and prolonged enough that Trish thought it might be an invitation to go join Theo.

But that does bring me back to Stacey. Two years previously, at Nellie’s wedding, Theo was really warm (and physically affectionate) with Stacey, particularly post-hookup, in a way she isn’t with Trish. 

Look at that. It’s somewhat analogous to the energy between Theo and Trish the first time they meet at the bar but the bar scene is more sexy smolder of seduction than some of the soft affection between Theo and Stacey.

I don’t know how to read any comparison, though, because Trish and Stacey are the only romantic encounters we see Theo have. 

@justanotheruntitled04 replied to your photo “When you look back from a remove of 10 subsequent episodes and...”

And i find it’s funny how they tried to mislead us at first when they had her and the guy looking at each other and then Theo easily dismisses it and be like “nah not you dude”

Do you think Theo would be the mom that has 5-6 kids like her parents or be the one with just 1-2 kids?

I mean, Theo looking that hot, of course everyone in the club would be checking her out. She dressed to be seen.

You know... these days more than 2 kids feels like a lot of kids. XD I can see a case for either scenario for Theo. Like on one hand it could be overwhelming to have a lot of kids for her. If she’s touching them and keeping tabs on their lives and emotions via touch, that’s a lot of people to keep track of? Also I figure Theo and Trish would be working professionals and it might be a strain to have a lot of children? I mean, if Theo is already almost mid-30s and Trish and Theo marry within two years, Theo would be approaching late 30s and adoption is not a quick process if that’s the route they choose and Trish is probably younger and might not want to start a family right away, so it might also be a hassle to build a large brood? 

But, on the other hand, you can see that Theo’s not very demonstrative with Allie and Jayden. She’s fond of her niece and nephew, but the Harris family is not a family of huggers, so that may mitigate issues of being overwhelmed.

Speaking in a practical sense, I feel like smaller number of kids.