#kettle logic

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Gaza was an open air prison...

... but also, look at how beautiful it was before all the destruction following October 7th.

Israel should not hold any control over Gaza...

... but also, they should be responsible to feed them and provide them with all their basic needs.

October 7th didn't happen...

... but also, if it did, it was justified.

We're anti-Zionist not anti-Semite...

... but also, let's target all the Jewish businesses.

Ceasefire now!

... but also, globalize the intifada.

The hostages are propaganda made up by Israel...

... but also, look at how well they were treated.

The IDF is an army of weak pansies...

... but also, look at how much they destroyed and how vicious they are.

We want peace...

... but also, resistance by all means necessary.

We're anti-genocide...

... but also, "from the river to the sea."

Does anyone else's head hurt?

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God is both good and inscrutable. Gender is simultaneously not just innate and unchangeable, but also independent of biology, and socially constructed.

Their ideology is incoherent, contradictory and self-refuting because they're trying to use fraudulent scholarship and nonsensical academic jargon to obfuscate from the fact that what they really want is dead Jews and Israel wiped out. They don't want peace, they want Israel to fall.

[solo1y]

The hasbara wrecking crew often deploy this very well-understand tactic.

Jacques Derrida called it “kettle logic” after an example outlined by Sigmund Freud in The Interpretation of Dreams. 

Freud wrote that a man accused of having returned a damaged kettle offered three explanations: 

He had returned the kettle undamaged.

It was already damaged when he borrowed it.

He had never borrowed it in the first place.

These statements clearly do not work together, but if you only heard one of them in isolation, you may be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

With the hasbara people, there is an added bonus: once you notice what they’re up to, they accuse you of hating all kettles.

[corporationsarepeople]

Trump’s Lies Destroy Logic As Well As Truth

Fact-checkers can't show us the real authoritarian danger posed by our dissembling president-elect.

Prescient article from 2016. Trump’s strategy hasn’t changed, and it’s still working.

[johariswindow]

Fallacy Friday- 02

Kettle Logic Fallacy: Also known as the Kettle Pot Fallacy, it’s flaw in logic lies within it’s several inconsistent and or contradictory claims. Sigmund Freud exemplifies Kettle Logic using a story where a man returns a damaged kettle to his neighbor and offered three claims in his defense:

1. That he returned the kettle undamaged.

2. That it was already damaged when he borrowed it.

3. And that he had never borrowed it in the first place.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Theist logic. Where strawman meets kettle logic.

[circleandsquarecomic]

Circle Makes Kettle Corn

[m3t4ln3rd]

Great Falls debut new track "Kettle Logic"

Band: Great Falls Song: “Kettle Logic” Album: A Sense Of Rest Release Date: December 21st, 2018 Label: Corpse Flower Records (U.S.), Throatruiner Records (EU)

The group comments:

“Our working title for this song was ‘Half Hour’because it took a half hour to write about 90% of it, and then we spent eight weeks trying to write the remaining 10%. In retrospect, we should have come up with a less…

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[academicatheism]

Worship is appropriate when Someone is perfect! Young men will whistle at a pretty girl admiring her beauty, or cheer for a football play. Why deny God His due? Have you ever considered the Mandelbrot set? Even math glorifies God!

You’re not getting the point. It’s one thing to be admired because you’re beautiful; it’s entirely another thing to warrant worship because you’re perfect. However, if we’re to take OT stories at face value, god demanded* worship. Some beautiful people don’t demand attention. A great play can’t make any demands. Both of your examples are also subjective because while the girl hears whistles from some young men, she won’t hear any from others and while the play is good to fans of football, it is of no interest to people who aren’t fans of the game. The point that you’re missing is that a perfect being would have no deficiencies and thus wouldn’t throw tantrums when people worship other deities. He wouldn’t murder their infants and children because of it. He certainly wouldn’t damn you for eternity because you didn’t accept his plan for atonement through Jesus Christ. Your beliefs are ludicrous.

What’s more ludicrous is your kettle logic. You go from pretty girls to football to Mandelbrot sets as if one term in pure mathematics is supposed to intimidate me. You’re using the set as an underhanded variant of the odious design argument. The set, like an algorithm, is an example of complexity arising from the implementation of rudimentary rules. It isn’t designed; it self-organizes over time and in accordance to the rules it’s given. Mathematics, whether pure or applied, is an extension of logic. It doesn’t glorify god. You’re simply blinded by predilections. What’s worse is that you can’t grasp a basic point. My response to that initial question flew over your head; as did my point in your last ask. I’ll repeat it in words a child could understand: if someone is perfect, they wouldn’t demand to be worshiped because they wouldn’t lack anything. More specifically, anyone reading the OT will quickly realize they’re reading about a god who has self-esteem issues—so concerned about his popularity, his approval rating, and how he fares against other deities.

*Some may quibble about the use of the word demand preferring instead the word command. However, the commandments weren't simply orders given by an authority. They were ultimatums with consequences that were sometimes fatal. Given that the so called commandments were more like ultimatums, it's hard to see the difference between demand and command in this context.