Kestrel Leah in conversation with Nichole Canuso
In advance of the LAX Festival we asked twelve artists to profile the twelve pieces in the festival. Nichole’s performance, PANDAEMONIUM made in collaboration with Lars Jan and Xander Duell, runs from October 18th–21st at the Los Angeles Theater Center, in the Los Angeles Exchange [LAX] Festival. Details can be found here.
KL: How did Pandaemonium come about?
NC: It began with Lars and I … with the idea of being alone and together at the same time—both being connected to people you don’t realize you’re connected to, as well as the great chasm that can exist between people who think they’re close, who think they understand each other. It began with the visual image of two people separated in space, two solos in two different cities that, through live feed, fit together like a locket. So the two people are actually having a duet in the virtual space. We brought Geoff Sobelle in pretty quickly, thinking that he would be the other performer, and the two of us would be in different cities. But when we got together to rehearse and we put Geoff on one side of the room and me on the other, with the video in the middle—just to rehearse—we started to realize that it was pretty powerful to see both people side by side not knowing the other was there, and then to see the third space, the video space, at the same time. So we decided to go forward with this idea of a triptych, where the audience could scan all three spaces, and I decided to table the idea of the two different cities for an installation that would include the audience.
That installation is actually what I’m developing currently—I’ve finally returned to that aspect. It will be in two separate locations, but instead of two performers, it will be two audience members at a time that meet in that virtual space. It’s using the same video design and software as Pandæmonium but with a very different take. The participants will see themselves and their own surroundings, but they’ll also see someone else sitting at the table who’s not actually there … and those participants will be able to talk to each other.
You describe Pandaemonium as a "performance concert.” Can you explain your choice and expand on the role of music in the piece?
Xander Duell plays live and is on stage with us. We brought Xander into the process pretty early and started to realize it would be a non-verbal piece—that the music would be the sonic environment and that the story would be told through visuals and sound. The music he’s made sometimes takes over and we take a back seat to the music and sometimes we come forward and the music is more of a support. I really do think of the music, the video and the choreography sharing voice, sharing the story telling.
So they were created quite symbiotically?
Yeh .. Really the five of us, meaning Geoff, Lars, Xander, Pablo and I made the project together. We were on a residency actually … there was a book of photographs by Richard Misrach called Desert Cantos—and he actually uses the term Cantos to describe these photographic essays—and we gave this book to Xander while we were rehearsing. He would go off hiking and look at these books, and write music, and come back at the end of the day and show us what he’d played. He actually wasn’t in the room with us much of the time but we were both using the same source material. On the flip side, sometimes he was in the room, scoring live what we were doing, and some of it would inspire our improvisations. We found a way of communicating, a way of speaking together.
I find musicians, as performers, keep their performances open to a degree of spontaneous improvisation that can be in opposition to the way most theatre and dance performances are composed …
It’s pretty set. That wasn’t much of a conflict.
You clearly use the languages of both dance and physical theatre in this performance. Do you lean more on one than the other?
I always see my work and my approach to the world through a choreographic lens. So everything that I do, structurally and physically and formally, it all feels like choreography to me. That said, Lars and Geoff both come from theater so that influence is pretty heavy as well. I also have done a lot of physical theater—I’ve done some clown pieces—and that world feels useful at times. We do lean into different modes in different sections. There are sections when we lean into the characters and the humor and the relationship between two people and you see them as characters who are going through something. And there are times when we lean into the visual aesthetics of the space and the relationship between object and body. So I think what the piece does is take sharp turns. Someone said it felt like a cubist painting … that it’s taken apart and put back together.
What kind of voice did Lars have as you and Geoff were going on this journey?
The three of us often functioned like co-directors and we would lean on each other for our strengths. Much of the show was born out of improvisations. As the outside eye, Lars was an instigator, a reflecting board, but then the three of us would make decisions together about how to move forward—and often include Pablo and Xander in those conversations. We relied heavily on Lars for his eye on the whole, and he’s a wonderful provocateur igniting things. We trust and feel inspired by each other and that’s what drives the collaboration.
What is your relationship to technology as an artist who works in body-based disciplines?
Photography and film have always been a passion of mine. I work with Lars and Pablo because I feel like they share a desire to address this tension between the live body and the digital image, and so I feel like this is at the heart of the pieces that we make together—this collision, this tension, and using the technology to show chasms of all sorts, and sometimes to show the technology we are interacting with in the world. The video is never arbitrary. It’s always at the heart of the work, or at least that’s the goal.
Has the project changed since you created it?
This is the first time since 2016 that we’re doing it … we’re unpacking costumes and re-remembering the choreography! We were really in each other’s lives when we made the project and it’s a reunion of sorts. Feeling the way the world is now changes the embodiment of the piece. And there’s something different about performing something at the end of a process, where it’s sort of the bloom of the process, as opposed to re-approaching it with a fresh perspective.
Kestrel Leah is a British actor and director working internationally across stage and screen. She often collaborates across music, film, dance and visual art, and is co-founder of PHYSICAL PLASTIC theater project with Cypriot composer and sound artist Yiannis Christofides.
Nichole Canuso creates performance experiences that embrace the complexity and absurdity of humanity while sitting at the crossroads of movement, visual art, and theater.
photos by Nichole Canuso













