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LAS COSAS QUE PASAN
The Saga of Lake City Quiet Pills, part four- the activity of /r/lcqp
Since this particular sub has now been made private, I'll be working with my archives starting from this page https://archive.is/tRmMQ
Gamejack or legit?
Sub created Tue Apr 7 17:18:38 2015 UTC by /u/lcqp_announcer, who bafflingly enough was fairly active in the few days before starting the sub, having joined on April 3rd... despite then posting only a few times in r/lcqp before vanishing with the rest of them. If they were trying to look like a normal user, you'd think they'd pick a different username... The sub is marked NSFW for some reason. I expect this stops it from showing up in search engines or being cached by Google, or the like. Fortunately archive.is can still grab it.
THREADS
Tue Apr 7 17:25:08 2015 UTC- RALLY VINCENT RALLY VINCENT RALLY VINCENT - 5097 1934 https://www.reddit.com/r/lcqp/comments/31rq0u/rally_vincent_rally_vincent_rally_vincent_5097/ "announcer" posts a PGP message. Dustoff (same day 17:30:54), lcqp (a separate user from the announcer; reply to dustoff 17:41:47 edited at 21:35:40), sam and phelan arrive. There's a deleted post (reply to lcqp, 17:52:09), to which announcer replies with another PGP message (18:35:09). Last post on the 10th. lcqp refers to dustoff as "Kimmy". sam's posting history seems to still have the deleted reply, which is Vietnamese for (according to Uncle Google) "Ah, beautiful girl, no Oscar!". Can't be sure this is *the* deleted post though. Sam makes sure to mention his alternate name of "Than", which he's referred to by in other posts. - The comment thread has posts fairly closely clustered together (5-10 minutes between replies) except for the last one, with lcqp's post edited hours later.
Fri Apr 10 18:12:29 2015 UTC- we roll! https://www.reddit.com/r/lcqp/comments/325985/we_roll/ announcer announces a new contact system will be put into place in "a week or two", which is about how long the sub was active as a messageboard, followed by another PGP message. AyoDende comments, a full 9 days later, ie after the next post effectively closing the sub. I think you may have missed out, buddy. - This is the one that baffles me most, honestly- why is Ayo so late? If lcqp is legit (regarding this sub, regardless of the legitimacy of the LCQP story at large), why would a soldier or ex-soldier do something dumb like reply to an outdated thread in a retired communications sub? Wouldn't he at least use the more recent thread, at least acknowledge he's late? If lcqp is a put-on this can be handwaved as essentially a plothole, but why would this be in the "script"? If AyoDende isn't a part of the "show" (regardless of the legitimacy of anything else), this could be explained as some bandwagon-jumping gamejacker kid being an idiot, but he uses military jargon previously used by phelan as though he knows what he's talking about. ... Then again, given the gafes required for the original LCQP incident to have happened, maybe these people really are just a little bit dumb.
Fri Apr 17 10:49:50 2015 UTC- STAND IN THE DOOR https://www.reddit.com/r/lcqp/comments/32ws89/stand_in_the_door/ Another PGP from announcer. Dustoff confirms the "new server will be ready on Monday". This is indeed the last time the sub is used for its apparent intended purpose.
Thu Jun 4 11:27:15 2015 UTC- Oscar Sayer, 1945-2015 - "de oppresso liber" https://www.reddit.com/r/lcqp/comments/38i71i/oscar_sayer_19452015_de_oppresso_liber/ announcer posts, reporting "Shade"'s death. Dustoff replies about 5 minutes after the thread is posted. This post is stickied. Title is the motto of the United States Army Special Forces, effectively translating to "from oppression to liberation".
Tue Jun 9 17:14:29 2015 UTC- Shhhhh.... Use the new server.... https://www.reddit.com/r/lcqp/comments/396nmv/shhhhh_use_the_new_server/ Posted by lcqp, seemingly in response to the Oscar Sayer post. (Could be AyoDende's fault, but it's a bit late for that.)
Through some posters' pages, we find one more relevant thread: Wed Jun 3 15:52:59 2015 UTC- i__hah's death thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/38dtyt/well_so_long_everyone_thanks_for_being_here_i/ Outside of /r/lcqp, a rather sobering thread where a person who is apparently "Shade" announces their own impending death by (presumably) colon cancer. This is the user's last post, preceded by about 15 minutes by one about "soothing gels" and "gratuitous nudity". Well, that's one way to go out. I'm not to sure about the logic behind this one. Apparently his doctor miscalculated i__hah's remaining lifespan by three months the first time, but he was now sure of his time of death down to the hour, possibly minute. Unless he was commiting suicide (sanctioned or otherwise), I'm not sure how this is supposed to be possible...
THE CHARACTERS
Some of the users of r/lcqp were quite active outside of the sub, while others only posted a few times. Sex and porn subreddits seem to be quite popular among these people...
lcqp_announcer- Posts mainly in generic subs like AskReddit, eli5, showerthoughts, as well as some odder ones like HotAsianMilfs (unsurprising), weddingplanning and identifythisfont. A lot of the Askreddit threads seem to be about sex. Another favorite sub is progresspics, where he semi-aggressively hunts for opportunities to drop a bit of backstory (lost 100+ pounds in 7 months due to illness and surgery). There's also this gem https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/31m4ah/if_you_could_have_one_statistic_displayed_above/cq2uqx6/?context=3 Also included is a bit of random pointless white-knighting...
dustoff_avenger-joined 2015-04-07T17:29:50+00:00, first posted 2015-04-07T17:30:54+00:00 in the RALLY VINCENT thread. Possibly the most active r/lcqp user, she (gender mentioned in post history) started posting with the creation of lcqp and continued to post for a while after Shade's death, with her last post on Mon Jun 29 16:15:50 2015 UTC. Once again her post history includes a lot of sex-related subs and threads, as well as TwoX (a cringy sub where random men praise women for getting an abortion like you'd praise your 10 year old for going to the corner store on his own for the first time, apparently...). She also seems to be openly lesbian or bi. Also common are politics- and military-related posts and posts about her job, which is apparently some form of military pilot.
This post mentions post history I'm not sure I saw in her actually current... post history: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/38owbz/tgif_redditors_who_have_the_day_off_how_are_you/cs0kfzz/?context=3 Like RoP there may be posts still on threads that aren't on their profiles, self-note to google search these usernames too Also this. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/396m5a/assuming_that_reddit_is_used_for_secret/
Also mentioned is sex with Jerro, a post on KotakuinAction, jerbs, more pointless whiteknighting...
She's referred to as "Kimmy" by lcqp.
As of June 3 2017, she's returned as curator of r/lcqp-out-of-africa.
lcqp- joined Apr 4 21:01:28 2015 UTC, first post Apr 4 21:15:56 2015 UTC, last post is the "new server" thread on Jun 9 17:14:29 2015 UTC with the last post before that being Apr 18 13:09:17 2015 UTC. Last post before that is his one post in r/lcqp at 2015-04-07T17:41:47+00:00, edited same day T21:35:40+00:00. Once again there's plenty of military posts and sex posts, with a bit of whiteknighting, though unlike the others he seems to have quite a... problematic sense of humor. Also Death Note and Sailor Moon. Apparently he's old. One of his more recent posts before vanishing describes his "former employer"'s death, clearly referring to RoP.
i__i__i__i__i__hah- TwoX post, check, sex posts (with a particular focus on pegging), check, military posts, check... Whiteknighting, check... I think this might just be a common trait among military types, who tend to lean conservative and also be concerned with protecting "civilians", but having it pop up in the post history of every single person in this sub makes them look closer to a group of sockpuppets. Aside from being almost disgustingly cringy. Jesus While we're talking about circlejerks, bitching about religion also seems to be a common trait with this group... Anyway, i__hah was apparently deployed overseas in 1976 prior to meeting their wife, is old, etc. They have the longest post history of any /lcqp user, as you'd expect from their earlier registration date... amusingly, further back in their history (around April 1st?) they claim they usually abandon accounts after hitting 1000 karma to shake off trolls. The account has posts going up to two months after that and sits at over 3000 karma. I'm half-tempted to say the death post was simply a way to end the persona and abandon the account, as is theorized with Milo, but the other users' reactions to it seem sincere.
I_am_flat_sam: Joined Wed Apr 8 11:31:18 2015 UTC. Has less than a page of posts, first being the Vietnamese reply made Wed Apr 8 11:37:07 2015 UTC to RALLY VINCENT... which doesn't show up on the thread.
Next post is the one that actually shows up on RALLY VINCENT, posted Wed Apr 8 11:52:33 2015 UTC.
The user returns in June to post in i__hah's death thread (the Vietnamese text here apparently just translates to "goodbye, my friend", and then posts a handful of times in r/balisong (a type of butterfly knife), r/xray (sub for shopping picturs of attractive women so their nipples show through their clothes... yep), and r/DCcomics, over the course of a week. Last post Thu Jun 11 11:45:13 2015 UTC.
phelan_md: Joined Fri Apr 10 16:51:51 2015 UTC with only one post, to the RALLY VINCENT thread on Fri Apr 10 16:53:49 2015 UTC.
I've got this box of band-aids and tampons. You guys interested?
Doc, +1PA, +4MT
My best quess is they're medical support, ie a "doc"(tor). Tampons are sometimes used to plug up a bullet wound or a bloody nose in a pinch.
AyoDende: Joined Sun Apr 19 02:48:49 2015 UTC, posted once, Sun Apr 19 02:57:00 2015 UTC to we roll thread:
Halvidarx2 +6 +2MT (2 Poor English laddies who feel upon bad times. Both class 1 plus trauma)
Similar jargon used to the "doc" character phelan_md while talking about injuries. The grammar seems rather worse than md's, however, though of course it's difficult to tell from only one post each.
So, at some unspecified point since I was last going through and archiving the contents of r/lcqp- the unverified spinoff of the Lake City Quiet Pills "mystery"- the sub was made private.
Meanwhile, r/lcqp-out-of-africa, the edgy more racially diverse spinoff of a spinoff, was created- specifically on Sat Jun 3 14:34:12 2017 UTC, with title "the next generation".
Uh, okay.
I'll come back and flesh this out once I've actually finished my post on the initial /lcqp (jokes on them, I archived everything), but here's some points of note:
Back on April 3rd, some random redditor with no other posts linked on the discussion sub a supposed obituary (posted on Reddit's own r/obituaries) for a sergent. The post linked is almost hilarious, blatantly mentioning LCQP, a love of "Hotel Parties", and that the now deceased was going to meet "the religion of peace". The post is in slightly broken english and includes coordinates to a motel. It was downvoted and disregarded at the time, as you'd expect, but a day after the creation of the second lcqp sub one user who posted there ("Reid") also replied to this thread, saying "yes, it is bullshit". It's unclear whether this is referring to the death or to the post's legitimacy.
Of the users of lcqp-ooa, one returns from the original sub- dustoff-avenger, who was the most active in the original sub. Others are new, most having signed up within the last few days, one with a two-year-old account with only a recent post in the sub. Unlike /lcqp(?), posting isn't restricted at all, so feel free to show up and drop some dank shitpost maymays. A large amount of the content posted in the (currently) only thread is encrypted in what appears to be hexidecimal Dustoff also has some posts whining about Trump and Germany or something.
This whole thing is pretty bizarre, in the way that LCQP was always bizarre- teetering on a tightrope between looking like a bunch of attention whores making shit up and some actual covert ops that someone thought it was a good idea to put on Reddit for some fucking reason. The presence of dustoff would imply this event is as legit as the original /lcqp ever was, and if both are legit it's also possible the obituary was also real... Somehow, though, the one thing that bothers me most is the sub title of "the next generation"- it sounds like something from a generic, lame ARG, and has nothing to do with any other part of LCQP. That just... bothers me, I suppose.
... While I was typing this, another post was made to the sub by dustoff- "talisman 20170615". Clearly referring to a date a few days from now (currently the 12th) though what "talisman" means is unknown. Though once again I can't help but feel it seems... out of place, like something from a much more stereotypical mysterious/spooky ARG. (Also, dustoff continues to argue with people on the one thread about Germany and Trump or whatever. Okay)
The Saga of Lake City Quiet Pills, part three- posts from r/LakeCityQuietPills and other
https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeCityQuietPills/comments/25ljmj/dossier_angel_26/ * May 15 2014- Dossier on Angel2-6 ** 2-6 as a title, other members, Jerro Mank ** Posts on DrunkenStepFather imply the hidden message leak was indeed due to some coding mistake. They don't seem too fussed about the messages remaining on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeCityQuietPills/comments/2u62zr/the_hotel_where_is_it/ * January 30 2015- Attempts to locate the "Marriot off 46", plus property deeds of the mall where Milo allegedly used to live. ** Regarding the assassination theory, I note that (according to this new article, at least) the assassins could have been in and out of Dubai within a day. Using a US hotel as some sort of base of operations might have been feasible. http://www.dirgemag.com/lake-city-quiet-pills-internets-biggest-unsolved-mystery/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeCityQuietPills/comments/4i8my1/just_discovered_lcqp_some_thoughts/ * May 6 2016- User theorises RoP was not a WWII veteran but a vet of the Korean war. This goes against what RoP has said himself, but might work if RoP was basing his stories off his own life, changing or exaggerating some aspects. Also suggests 2-6 was a separate person and a Vietnam vet. ** Putting these two together, assuming the 2-6 discovered outside of Reddit before the this thing began was legit, it's possible 2-6 is an actual Vietnam vet, while Milo/RoP was an invented character thus written by someone who knows what war is like but not that specific war. This would explain the age problems (he bungled the math... twice...) * User says the slang in the hidden board is 100% legit, that the jobs were largely innocuous security work (matching what others have said), notes group "Executive Outcomes" as a real-life version of what LCQP allegedly is. ** "Angel" is a common military slang term... for medical units. ** "Erinys International" mentioned, similar to EO, which apparently lost some employees due to... problems in 2005, just a few years before LCQP happened.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeCityQuietPills/comments/3w5mk0/ureligionofpeace_angel_twosix_yahoo_forum/ * Dec 10 2015- User notes both RoP and the offsite 2-6 misspell "muriatic" as "muratic". Nondarb asserts that Milo's advice on covering up/destroying evidence is terrible and Milo clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. ** I'd like to suggest that perhaps "muratic acid" was meant to refer not to muriatic acid but to some other substance entirely, with the name misremembered or otherwise garbled.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeCityQuietPills/comments/3ma0c8/a_mild_curiosity_anderson_cooper_of_cnn_mentions/ * Sept 25 2015- OP never delivers. Jasenlee was one of the more prominent and active "investigators" in the LCQP "case", though nowadays he seems to spend most of his time posting... strange things in subreddits like /r/conspiracy. As far as I can tell he never followed up on this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeCityQuietPills/comments/3y1n7l/explanation_of_technology_used/ * Dec 24 2015- Possible explanation of technology used. Doubt is had over whether the characters involved would actually know how to computer this well.
Additional links:
https://np.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/8qe0g/to_the_world_from_reddit_on_this_65th_anniversary/c0a3rnr June 7 2009- Milo talks about his time in the Navy. Mentions the neighbor with kids referenced elsewhere. Here he now says he's "79 last January". Another user asks how this is possible; RoP explains he was big for his age. Also bitches about "vid games".
(Also, I wanna have a little chuckle at the guy expecting "civil instability in the US in the next 2-3 years, oh no better move to Agrgentina!". Yeah, don't think that ever happened, unless you wanna count BLM or some shit.)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6lpeg/askreddit_how_old_are_you_redditor/c047h5q * June 2 2008- A mere year before the show, Milo identifies himself as being "70 in July". Oops! Unfortunately for whatever reason, his posts through his profile don't go back that far. Searching "reddit religionofpeace 8 years ago" does indeed turn up posts from eight years ago, but due to his username there's a lot of irrelevant results. At any rate here's a handful of posts I managed to find from around that time where he talks about being a soldier or is otherwise his... usual self: https://www.reddit.com/r/offbeat/comments/6r4tw/does_anyone_out_there_actually_like_necco_wafers/c04ndrz https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6f64h/same_sniper_rifle_killed_six_british_soldiers_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6m74v/a_new_report_lays_out_in_shocking_detail_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/6f8if/anti_new_york_sentiment_is_on_the_rise/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6kfp3/i_have_a_flag_i_no_longer_need_wtf_do_i_do_with_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/6jsvg/soldier_uses_quran_for_target_practice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6lxwj/brigitte_bardot_was_convicted_tuesday_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6pu3y/spiritual_effects_of_hallucinogenic_mushrooms/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6lwuq/britain_islamic_extremists_to_get_therapy_not/c0481av/
Nothing shows up with "9 years ago". Seems Milo was only fucking around Reddit, at least under that username, for about a year before the death announcement.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6t9zn/whats_the_best_way_to_dispose_of_a_body/c04t10e The "muratic acid" post, which was also made during the "70 in July" period for whatever that's worth.
The Saga of Lake City Quiet Pills, part two
* March 6 2014- ** OP identifies user Zaasakokwaan as the OP of the March 17 2010 thread. Presumably they hadn't deleted at this point. ** 2-6 also goes by Kim? ** In comments, discussion on which Marriot the party might have taken place at, if indeed there was a Marriot. Property records for the mall where Milo allegedly used to live is checked, nothing much is found. ** Rosy_Ps_Boyfriend finds some inconsistencies in Milo's posting history. ** Jerro Mank? ** Dustije talks about Milo's supposed age. He claims to have gotten into the navy at 14, stayed for some time and left in 1945... but in 1945 he would have been 13. (Not sure if he would have turned 13 or would have been 13 at the start of the year... if the latter, with a January birthday he could have spent most of 1945 in the navy and the story would be consistent. I mean there's still the "70 in July" post, but at least he tried?) ** More on the public records of the farm, no conclusions reached. ** grey ops? ** a_burner: more on Milo's age ** "nonsense phrase": Milo talks about emailing junk data in a format that sounds a lot like the encrypted hidden text to mess with the NSA. *** Here's the post with context, from June 22 2009 jokes about Hillary Clinton's emails goes here
* January 29, 2015- ** One commentor believes the LCQP guys were more likely mercenaries or security, rather than outright assassins. ** Another comment about the sequester periods and medical insurance, what those might mean for legitimacy. ** "Sat cong moi" is part vietnamese for "kill 'em commies", part gibberish. ** There's even an Angel26 wikipedia account! Active around December 2005, his edits largely pertain to... Chi machines? I may dig into this later. *** Also linked is a youtube account Angel26 which as I am writing this has a liked video as recent as six months ago (the date the video was posted, not necessarily when it was posted, I don't think). ... The account was started in october 2005. Huh. So it's not like it's a modern trend-hopper.
* September 30 2015- ** The top comment talks more about what the LCQP crew would likely have actually been doing. This poster maintains that the group are more likely a network of individuals rather than any proper organization- believable, but possibly clashes with whatever was going on with their health insurance as mentioned above. ** Mention of some interesting posts found by the users of /r/lcqp. I'll likely come back to this subreddit in its own post.
* May 16 2016- RavenMFDdigs up some other related posts by angel2-6 across the internet. ** The SOPA article angel comments on was apparently posted in late 2011 despite the LCQP site supposedly being made useless as an image-upload site in 2009. (No timestamp on the comments, but presumably they'd have been posted not long after.) He's also the only one to actually mention his site, making it look once again like he's rather pushing the site. The archive.org archives for the site root do go on until 2014, with hidden text in at least some of them. ** One of angel's Zbrush posts mentions "until my wifes smacks me and says it's time for work on Monday". Apparently at some point he had a normal job? ** The JaguarPC post asks about a spam filter on... whatever it is he's asking about. RoP notoriously hated spammers on Reddit. ** Top comment notes that A2-6's yahoo responses share the misspelling of "muratic acid" (muriatic acid) used by Milo. *** User finds Milo talking about frats at his age unlikely. +DIY, banks
The Saga of Lake City Quiet Pills, part one
* May 18 2009- Milo opens lakecityquietpills.com. The posts received little to no attention at the time, little attention even after the shitstorm begun, and really has no reason to exist. I have no idea how popular the imagehost was on Reddit at the time, but looking at this reception the site's mention in the death post seems a little forced.
* July 17 2009- 2-6 posts announcing Milo's death, making sure to mention the site. (Note the neighbors are mentioned in another of Milo's posts- ? Same mention is made in the hidden text.)
* August 4 2009- the image host dies at "Angel" (2-6?)'s hands. (OP has since deleted, I don't know if anyone recorded his name anywhere.) Once again, no one gave a shit.
* March 17 2010- A since-deleted user discovers the hidden text on the website. ** ctrl-f "hijacking": brainiac unearths some old posts by users using variations on the name Angel2-6 and mentioning "lake city quiet pills". A bit of googling pulls up further posts on the site under that name. The user's grammar and tone seem more similar to Milo than the few posts on Reddit by 2-6. *** A reply to this reply notes additional comments under this name, including one from Digg where a user named ReligionofPeace signs a post AngelTwo-six. (I can't find the post myself so I can't see if there's any other posts by the user that might shed light on who he's supposed to be.) ** ctrl-f "decode some lingo": deleted user makes a try at, well, decoding the lingo. Notes similarities between the "party" and the Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh assassination. ** ctrl-f "whois": Info on the history of the domain name ** Buried under a deleted comment, a user names one "violentacrez" as the OP of the thread on the image host's death.
* March 22 2010- Just days after the thread regarding the hidden messages, the messages are encyphered. Includes much copy-pasting of the encrypted blocks, albeit in random or unknown order. ** ctrl-f "mastercards": Another possible link to the Dubai assassination. Underneath a deleted post weapons manufacturer Lake City Arsenal is mentioned.
* April 20 2010- More message copy-pasting ** ctrl-f "number encryption" for a copy-paste I don't think I saw in the archive.org pages?
After that, interest in the topic seems to wane for a few years, with threads sporadically appearing starting in 2014.
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