could you please explain your parent's interpretation of adam and eve and lucifer? it sounds interesting
okay! But it doesn’t fit neatly with that post I reblogged. It just explains stuff a bit more, including Lucifer’s Feelings and Motivations. I think its a pretty cool interpretation, which is why i thought of adding it to the post, but if ur looking for an interpretation thats sympathetic to Lucifer this isn’t it.
1. For clarification, this isn’t strictly my parents interpretation, but their religions (they are moonies.)
2. warning for rape (Ymep. sorry guys...)
3. Some clarification: The garden of eden isnt a gated paradise, it’s just where they were first placed. The whole world is created at this point and they’re in a huge meadowy foresty kinda area. I forget exactly where.
4. This isn’t my faith or what I believe, so if this angers u for any reason please don’t take it out on me
So before God made Adam and Eve, he made Lucifer and his assistants. Angels were created to help God plan and create the earth (why did got bother getting help to make Earth when hes all-powerful? Because shit is more fun with friends, God is a party type of deity). Lucifer was the most powerful and intelligent of these angels, almost as powerful as God, and he got most of God’s love. Until Adam and Eve were created.
God didn’t love Lucifer any less, but he loved Adam and Eve a lot more. Angels were created as kind of two-dimensional spiritual beings to be servants, so they were nothing like Adam and Eve. The only Angel capable of comprehending the difference between them, and the difference between how God treated humans and angels, was Lucifer. And Lucifer was pissed.
Adam and Eve got everything. They got the Earth. They named stuff. They got to play with animals. They got to GROW. And, most importantly to Lucifer, they got each other. God had declared they were destined - when they were fully matured - to be together and lead the human race. And what did Lucifer get? fucking orders n shit. He built EVERYTHING for them!
Adam and Eve didn’t even get rules. The only order God had given them was not to eat of the fruit. This was a euphemism, of course, for sex. God knew they were too young to comprehend the emotional and physical ramifications of being the first people to ever Do It. And that was pretty easy for them to follow; Adam and Eve were like 14, so they didn’t really hang out at this point. Adam was climbing trees and playing with animals n stuff. Eve was studying the new nature around her and thinking a lot about everything. They were learning.
This is where the story gets kind of horrible. Lucifer wasn’t a kid like Adam and Eve. He was built to be the smartest creature in existence. Angels are all alike and he’d never been drawn to them, but Eve was a HUMAN! She was new and different, and she was everything God hadn’t given Lucifer: love, attraction, family. And he was a lot cooler than Adam! He was smarter, more mature. Why should someone like Adam get Eve? So he was going to take her for himself.
[An interesting note about angels here: Prominent teachers in my parent’s church have said that angels totally got it on with each other, but they were all built with penises and no concept of gender so there were basically a bunch of gay nonbinary angels doing it in heaven.]
So Lucifer (not in the form of a snake) parades his intelligence by explaining everything he created. He tells Eve about trees and bodies and emotions, and Eve is like, whoa, this dude is WAY cooler than Adam! And she gets the kind of crush people get on their teachers.
Which is Lucifer’s cue to step back, if he weren’t a jealous and manipulative predator, but he is. So he lays the killer line: “The fruit won’t hurt you. I helped make it. It’s incredible! It’s so incredible, it’ll make you like God.” And so he pressures Eve into way more than she can handle at that age, and they break God’s commandment.
Eve feels awful after. She feels guilty and sick and is pretty traumatised by the experience. She wasn’t really aware people could be mean like that, and now that she was, she was scared of going to God about what’d happened. She’d broken her word, he was bound to get angry at her. So instead she decides to fix what happened. She was meant to be with Adam, she knew that now, so she goes and shows him all this weird stuff Lucifer taught her.
But they were way too young for that. Adam realises belatedly (hes a bit slow) that this was exactly what God didn’t want them to do, and him and Eve talk about how bad they’d messed up. Dad was totally gonna kick their ass. So they agree to go hide from him out of the garden.
But their dad is God. God sees everything. And truth be told, God isn’t that angry, hes mostly really hurt that none of his children ever just talked to him. Lucifer could have complained! Eve could have told God how scared and hurt she was! Adam and Eve could have just said sorry for breaking the commandment, and God would have forgiven them in a jiffy. But they didn’t do any of that. They just hid. He gives them a last chance to patch things up by being like, “Hey, where did you guys go? I’m guessing you broke the rule? Can we just talk?” And they finally come out to see him.
Eve is like, “Look, God, Lucifer tricked me! I know you said not to, but he convinced me it was okay, and he was really pushy.” God is like, “You could have talked to me, I would have explained and protected you” and Eve doesn’t know how to respond. Then God turns to Adam, and Adam is like, “Eve seduced me! She tricked me as well! I didn’t want to do this.” And God is like, “You knew what you were doing. You could have asked me for advice.”
And I know what ur thinking. Why didn’t God step in? ((I’m not sure actually, this is often what I wonder too. But this is the response I get:)) Because God respects his children and their need for space. He wanted Adam and Eve to learn from their mistakes. He didn’t want to push any wisdom or rules on them. So he gave them the freedom to fuck up.
After getting these responses, God is pretty angry because a big part of his whole creation process was free will. That’s why Lucifer got jealous and acted like that. That’s why his children were capable of turning away from him. He didn’t want robots, he wanted genuinely loving people, and that came with a chance of evil. And now that they’d committed that evil, they couldn’t even own up to it. They just pointed at Lucifer. Which is true, he did kinda cause everything, but they weren’t taking responsibility for their own freedom and owning up to their mistakes. And by giving Lucifer all the power in that way, Adam and Eve were giving up their freedom to Lucifer. So Lucifer became like a second god - Satan - and that was not a good move, because Lucifer was clearly a pretty shit person. He set up his own camp in the spirit world, and Adam and Eve were basically his children (rather than god’s) from that point on.
And then this leads into Adam and Eve having Cain, Abel, Seth and their twin sisters, they kill each other over who to marry, blah blah blah, Adam and Eve are pretty shit parents.
