#noorhell

[weee-clizzy]

i've found this in a file called "happy memories"

[smokeonshadows]

Elaborating on that one paragraph in my previous post.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Liv/Noah shipper and I totally get the appeal of Noorhelm, but that doesn’t mean I’m afraid to give my critique when it’s warranted.

Basically, I kind of hate how in pretty much every iteration of Noorhelm that I’ve seen, the main way of showing that the Noora is flawed/moving along the relationship is to have the William call her out on sending mixed signals and yet no one ever calls him out on how he kept violating her boundaries.

I’m not saying that Noora shouldn’t get called out. The problem is that pretty much every time this happens, either William never gets called out or Noora’s callout is used to negate whatever William’s done.

Yes, Noora was guilty of sending mixed signals and not being honest about her feelings, but that doesn’t excuse Willam’s (actively manipulative) behavior at all. And besides that, Noora sending mixed signals wasn’t violating Willam to the same extent that Willam’s actions were violating her. And most of all, Noora had to face consequences and learns from her questionable behavior, but William was rewarded for his outright bad behavior.

It’s a shitty double standard that puts all the blame on the girl and not only lets the guy off the hook completely but makes him out to be the victim. 

It just sets a really bad precedent and like I said this other post, “It’s not his fault, she was sending mixed messages.” is language that’s often used to blame victims for their own sexual assault. So yeah, it’s generally a really bad look but especially so in-context because Noora actually was a victim of sexual assault and it's a major part of her storyline. So having her in an idealized romance with a guy who started off the relationship by violating her boundaries and never apologized for it (and on top of that everyone in the fandom bending over backwards to basically throw her under the bus in order to make excuses for him) is so incongruent and sends its own set of actually harmful mixed messages.

But actually though, how hard is it to have someone in-universe be like, “wtf is wrong with you, William? Blackmailing a girl into dating you is a shitty thing to do.” or even to have William be like “I’m really sorry for what I did, that was really wrong of me. I’ll make sure to do better.”? It’s really that simple.

[wylinka]

I never thought it was possible to enjoy noorhell season but here i am giggling stupidly, Druck really did it huh

[va-faen-culo]

RANT PT 1:Tbh nothing will ever top the OG for me but I love each remakes' take on diff teen culture. BUT. Noorh*lm remakes will top anything the OG has ever done. No idea why Noorhe*lm stans relate to our dislike to our love for Evak. Uh... Idk maybe because out of all the main relationships in show, Evak was the second most relatable and healthy (after Yousana)? And I'm saying that as straight person, not a fucking fangirl. Lemme tell you why...

(I’m gonna y’all know now this is going to be long, but anon is spilling some hot ass tea and every part is worth reading)

RANT PT 2: Evak is liked because the nature of their situation was believable and something any relationship could go through. Mental illness and its stigmas? I’ve dealt w/ that, even had my own prejudices like Isak due to my own experiences of witnessing it. Eva’s insecurity and mistrust? I never cheated but I know exactly shitty breaking a friendship makes you feel. Sana’s identity crisis through religion and her defensive mechanism? Spot on..

“ I’m saying that as straight person, not a fucking fangirl“ I really love that you brought this up, because there is definitely a problem in this fandom with invalidating the opinions of anyone who is not queer. The story of Even and Isak was able to touch many people and so many ways and the way it was portrayed was incredibly realistic, along with the storylines of seasons 1 and 4. Disliking Noorhelm is not a problem of “uwu where are my gays” it is a problem of “so we’re just not going to address how toxic this is”

RANT PT 3: Most teenagers will go through some sort of self-questioning and priority check. I was raised with two cultures growing up; my ethnic and the dominant one. Growing up around a culture since childhood but not really fitting in, be it by race or religion or sexuality. Now, to Noorh*lm. What exactly did I learn? That asking someone out until they agree is… cute? That changing the cold and cool person isn’t actually emotionally taxing or damaging and that you should go for it? Fuck that 

!!! I have also experienced conflicts with my race/culture and the society i live in, and that feeling of not fitting in really struck close to home with season 4. (and parts of season 3 and 1) Noora’s story reinforced shitty tropes, such as “persistence always perseveres” and “changing people is easy with the power of love” and i think “fuck that” is a pretty solid reaction to seeing Julie glorify these toxic tropes

RANT PT 4: Is getting with the rich popular guy actually universal? Y'know that relatable moment when you’re at his party but end up sleeping at his place and strumming the guitar while he makes cocoa for you? No? Thought everyone went through that?? I learned nothing from that season and their relationship in the rest that came after it. No, I won’t even tolerate what happened to Noora and Niko. I’ll appreciate Josefina’s amazing portrayal of what trauma looks like but the conclusion made me cry

Are you telling me you haven’t experienced all these things??  (Also I will admit I bawled like a baby watching Josefinas portrayal of that situation but it wasn’t enough to save the season) 

RANT PT 5: I admire Julie Andem but I honestly thought that parts of it came from a personal place had made her cloudy in the ending. I cannot and will never believe that Noora fully recovered after that mishap or able to fully accept any intimate advances without showing any signs of trauma. It doesn’t matter if it was true or not, she still woke up exposed next to him and he saw and captured it and threatened her. And she was fine the moment Mari, who was also drunk, SAYS nothing happened??

I do not know much about trauma so I am glad someone else was thrown off by her lack of hesitance in entering an intimate relationship so quickly after such an intense event

RANT PT 6: Finally, the ending. No better way to conclude the static and unlikeable nature of this couple than to end it with William jokingly driving away from Noora, leaving her to be devastated once again, only to say it was jokes. Holy shit?? This couple sounds batshit toxic.They don’t communicate for half a year, William gets another girl and Noora is still hopeful. Then its resolved by… leaving her friends worried and ditching responsibilities?

THAT SHIT WAS FUCKING WHACK FFJSFDJSJNSJ. I was so glad when he left and then he had the audacity to come back, and then Noora comes back after a year of him neglecting her and it was like ‘hallelujah she’s come to her senses!’ and then HOMEBOY COMES BACK and she goes running back into his arms like it nothing. I want to bang my head into a wall just thinking off it.

RANT PT 7: I guess someone that’s been in a toxic relationship could relate? But what was the point of this couple? Joneva was important because slut-shaming and unhealthy women dynamics was/is still a thing to talk about. Evak was important because bury your gay trope and stereotyping gay people was/is still a thing. Yousana was/is important for teens dealing with religious discrimination and how it affects your relationships and your behaviour. These were all commentaries but still hit home.

I think my biggest problem was that Julie never addressed that their relationship was toxic. Season 2 could have delivered such an important message about how unhealthy that type of relationship is, but instead she makes it seem like they are some sort of match made in heaven. So much potential man…

RANT PT 8: Noorh*lm was not a commentary, because it was definitely a toxic relationship that had a happy ending anyways. I honestly love Skam but season 2 is hellish for me to go through, knowing what they’re like throughout all the season. I don’t mind the characters, but I want the remakes to surpass the OG with this one. Show us a realistic and likable straight couple to prove you don’t have to be toxic no matter how good-looking the couple may look. I’m sorry for bombarding you. Thank you.

Preach!! I’m really crossing my fingers for the remakes to learn from Julie’s mistakes!

Honestly anon you have really made my entire week. I completely agree with all the points you have made and I am so glad you felt comfortable unloading in my inbox! You’re officially the queen of season 2 call-outs, and I’d love to talk to you off anon and also to hear your thoughts in the future as more versions of season 2 come out! Have a wonderful day, and I hope getting this off your chest was as rewarding for you as it was for me  <33 

[va-faen-culo]

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but I prefer season 1 Noora over any other season. She had a bit more spunkiness and sharpness that I couldn't find in season 2-season 4. I understand that her relationship with William softened her but I find it hard to believe it went away. I think I would have found her relationship with William more appealing if there were more back and forth banters.

I could not agree more! Don't even get me STARTED on Noora's character digression.. 🤦🏿‍♀️

[aimitis]

Same anon as before, I was thinking about an existing fic (ty for replying) but since you mention it, is there a fic you think fandom needs?

Hi again! <3 Yes, I’d really, really love to see a “fixed season two” fic! I really hate how the whole Noora thing was handled. Not that she fucked up and fell for that asshole of a guy who had slept with one of her best friends without using a condom - it’s messed up, but Noora is only human too. Not the whole “maybe roofied, maybe raped” situation either - that was actually a great storyline, how the friends were there for her and took her to the doctor’s, helped her report the event etc.But how she could still go back to William after he pretty much accused her for what had happened, and when it was pretty obvious how uncomfortable, and even scared, she was around him? And somehow, it’s made to be okay, because “he had a crappy childhood”? No, just no.He could still have learned his lesson, that you can’t always get what you want and treat people like disposibles just because you’re gifted with sad puppy eyes and an, hmm, interesting hair cut…. that’s all well and good. But she should not have taken him back. The perfect ending of that season would be Noora, realising that she already had the perfect love story right there, with her four best friends. Friends that would help her come to terms with her other problems, that are barely touched upon here. And eventually, realising how insanely in love with Eva she is.

I know there are lot of fixed or missing storyline fics out there, about Vilde, Jonas, Chris, Elias and especially Even, but I have yet to read a really good one about Noora. I’d try to write one, but I really don’t think I could do it justice :/So, hmm, sorry for the rant, and thanks for playing, anon ;) <3

honesty hour 👀 anon or not I have to answer

[mohnstadss]

i think the bigger issue than noorhelm shippers is the anti-noorhelm shippers since they're the only ones who dominate the tag anyways...apparently their opinions are the only ones that matter

listen you can ship whoever you want but i refuse to support an abusive relationship and it’s annoying to see a million posts about how it’s “true love” when in reality it’s actually textbook signs of abuse. all the noorhells except maybe druck have chemistry, ill give them that, but that doesn’t mean i think they’re good together

[mohnstadss]

the noorhell shippers are gonna start coming out now cause of the grace daniel scene and i would just like to say NO THANK YOU