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[mr-weirdo-mcgee]

Begging people to stop comparing humans to objects because the arguments almost never work.

[starruberrii]

If anybody ever wants to hear about my oc lore just know I'm always happy to share!! Just ask me a question about anything, it can be about a specific oc or just how my storyworld functions and I will RAMBLE away

[pamivie]

im inpatient and want 2 ship pls like for something shippy heh

[laviejaguardia]

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[littlesparklight]

100% serious question here please don't judge me!

Is there any reason for Helen to receive apotheosis other than her being very beautiful and the daughter of Zeus? I know that male demigods like Heracles, Dioscuri and Asclepius in addition to their divine kinship had some superior deeds, but what about her? Like if Heracles' achievement was his labors and Asclepius' was his medicinal expertise Helen's was being abnormally beautiful or what?

I mean. Why not?

If we're following the mythic narrative, Asklepios doesn't even get apotheosis for his accomplishments as a healer, considering he's killed/punished for crimes against the cosmic and divine order. (Which really should supersede any of those earlier healing accomplishments.) He'd basically be getting apotheosis because his dad is sad about his death.

And if we're going by the "standard" version, where Kastor is a son of Tyndareus and not Zeus together with Polydeukes, then Kastor's accomplishments has nothing to do with why he gets to share Polydeukes' immortality/apotheosis. It's because of Polydeuekes' affection for and unwillingness to part with his brother.

Not all apotheosises are about worthy accomplishments, and Helen as the only mortal daughter of Zeus could well qualify for that one single reason. (Being the only mortal daughter of Zeus, then, being her accomplishment in itself.)

But!

Here's another reason:

The Trojan War.

In one version of pre-war events, Zeus' planning of the war includes engendering Helen. In another, the war is started to give Helen kleos. So the kleos of every warrior participating in that war also then belongs to Helen. Frankly, even in a case where we're ignoring this version, I think we can, on a "deeds that make a demigod mortal "worthy" of apotheosis, still apply all that kleos to Helen.

The war is Helen's work, however indirectly, and that would then be (another) reason for her potentially getting apotheosis.

All of this is basically just back-formation of the fact that Helen was worshipped as a goddess in Sparta. If she was considered a goddess in Sparta, then her having gotten apotheosis would... well, be the consequence of such a state of worship. Hence why you have things like Euripides bringing Helen's apotheosis up in the Helen and the Orestes.

[tonyglowheart]

if u follow me and have not read Qian Qiu (Thousand Autumns), by Meng Xi Shi (it's licensed in English!! I bought the books including preordering the special ed. of Vol 5 but have not read the "official" translation yet lmao so dk if it's uhhh good, but you can get it! or perhaps request it at your local library!) (tbh many of the fantls are still up, too, in uhh varying. degrees of quality lmao. but then again I also can't vouch for what quality the licensed tl is ig)

then. can I convince you to read Qian Qiu (Thousand Autumns), by Meng Xi Shi, lmao....

[d-c-k-y]

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