Slytherin is very loyal house especially towards their families. And Vincent didn't have any ambitions purely bc he just given up on life. I dont think this can be a sorting trait. Anyway Vincent is 100% Slytherin to me but I respect your opinion too! Thank you for answer!
You’re welcome! :) I respect your opinion too, especially because I do think that Vincent exhibits a fairly equal amount of Slytherin and Hufflepuff traits (for me, the difference comes from what he values, rather than the traits that he exhibits). I also agree with your assessment of Slytherin House.I think a lot of PH characters could be sorted into multiple houses actually, and that’s due to the fact that Mochizuki-sensei gave us such well developed, three dimensional characters to work with! <3
Sorry but imo(as vinc fan) Vincent is pretty selfish. He is very good at convincing himself that all he did was purely for Gil/Ada/etc but if you look closely all he does in manga is for his own comfort only. For the same reason Vince abandoned Ada in the end bc he is weak coward who cant come out his comfort zone. I think it's cool and realistic tho. Coward can't turn into superman out of blue. So as wise Break said: Don't try to excuse yourself by saying you're doing it for someone else's sake
Hello! :) I’m assuming you are talking about the sorting thing that I did, right? (Since that is the only, recent, post I’ve made about Vincent). I’m gong to go off that assumption and therefore incorporated talk about Vincent and why I did, in the end, decide to put him into Hufflepuff House (and why I agreed with another poster about Vincent and his connection to loyalty and it having nothing to do with personal gain).
I agree with you (as a huge fan of Vincent myself) that Vincent is rather selfish and cowardly, though, I don’t think that takes away from the fact that Vincent values loyalty. I also think that there is a difference between selfishness and personal gain, you can be selfish without necessarily getting any personal gain from an action. Vincent was selfish in his desire to make Gil happy and he was selfish in his desire to make sure Ada found happiness, but both of these actions would not have amounted to Vincent necessarily getting any personal gain from the results. He would (and did, in the case of Ada) get what he wanted, but those actions wouldn’t necessarily lead to any type of personal gain for Vincent himself (which was the whole point). The individual who brought up that Vincent wasn’t motivated by personal gain was right, he was motivated by a selfish loyalty, but not by actions that would necessarily provide him with personal gain, since he, himself, did not want that.
To go more in-depth into why I did decide on Hufflepuff House for Vincent and for his main value to be loyalty, please check out the Read More below.
When it comes to Hogwarts Houses and sorting, what defines where someone ends up (outside of choice) is what that individual values. That’s why you can have selfish or cowardly Hufflepuffs and it doesn’t make for a contradiction of any kind (after all, there was that one Hufflepuff who was always a complete and utter douche to Harry and was somewhat cowardly too).
For Vincent, loyalty is something that he demonstrates (it may come from a selfish motivation, but it is still loyalty) to Gil and Leo, and he is likely to show it to the Core too. While Vincent’s relationship with both Noise and Echo is complicated by the fact that Echo was a doll created by Duldee and was therefore like a doll/shell version of Noise in Vincent’s eyes, there is no denying the fact that Vincent found Noise’s loyalty appealing and attractive. Echo never showed any loyalty to Vincent (not saying she should either, just that she didn’t) and that put him off to her even more. The same with Lotty, when he came onto her before his date with Ada, he stated how he found her loyalty to Glen attractive. And speaking of Ada, it was her loyalty to him that really got to him and allowed him to let her in and fall for her (and to eventually decide to let her go).
So while I do agree that Vincent is rather cowardly (though, I don’t think that is a factor for any Hogwarts House or anything) and that he can be selfish (also not necessarily a factor for sorting really) his motives come from loyalty rather than ambition, and therefore lack the personal gain aspect.
I had a question about Pandora Hearts - after the end of the world was saved, would the Contracts kept in Pandora still have been there? We know Sharon grew soon after but it wasn't implied that she severed her ties with Equus. And Gil explained that the Dukedoms were stripped of their power - so wouldn't that include the Doors to the Abyss - or no? And when a Baskerville dies naturally like Vincent - does their Chain die with them as well? Like did Demios die alongside him?
Hello! :) Sorry I took forever and a day to respond to this!
As for your questions, I believe the contracts all remained. Sharon’s growth was described as being a ‘miracle,’ so I assume she was still contracted to/with Equus, which was why everyone was so shocked that she started aging again. I would imagine, now that the Baskerville Household has kinda been put back together (and they have worked out a system to help control the Core of the Abyss with her loneliness) that all responsibilities and items related to the Abyss (the Doors included) went back to belonging to the Baskerville Household. I would believe that the death of a Contractor (whether natural or not, whether a Baskerville or not) would lead to the Chain ending the contract, though I don’t know about the Chain dying. I think that could be up to fan interpretation.
omg It's true! I googled "renaissance popes" and every painting i find of one has Oz's button-down cloak on. course they're all seated in chairs so you cant tell how long it is. It's weird how redundant the design is though, they all wear tiny red hats despite also having hoods :/
Yep. I checked it out before I posted the Ask. And it is a bit odd, isn’t it. Definitely an interesting tid-bit of information, though! (Either that or an extreme coincidence, which I highly doubt).
This probably comes out of the blue, but what houses of Hogwarts do you think the characters of Pandora Hearts would fit into?
This is rather difficult, especially because it has been a while since I’ve read the series and a lot of the PH characters can fit into multiple Hogwarts Houses I believe, but let’s see…Gryffindor:
- Oz
- Alice
- Elliot
- Fang
- Oscar
- Shelly
Ravenclaw:
- Oswald
- Leo
- Levi
- Break
- Lacie
- Isla Yura
- Echo
- Sharon
- Sheryl
Hufflepuff:
- Gil
- Ada
- Lily
- Doug
- Lotty
- Arthur Barma
- Noise
- Vincent
Slytherin:
- Zai
- Jack
- Rufus
- Miranda Barma
- Vincent (though, a part of me thinks that he is a Hufflepuff)
hi! sorry if this is annoying but that ask about the baskerville cloaks was my first time seeing anyone say anything about christian-like elements in ph or oz being like a figure of christ-- are there any other examples?
Hello! :) Don’t worry, you aren’t being annoying! It’s been such a long time since I really discussed PH, so I had to do some digging to try and find my thoughts on the whole Christ Figure thing.
I wrote a lot about it for my Thoughts Post for Retrace 89. I talked about it some in my Thoughts Post for Retrace 100. And I’ll add a little bit here:
Oz is a “child” of “god” (aka The Will of the Abyss) and he is given Human Form (Cheshire has a human form too, but his mind is more a mix of a cat and human, while Oz has a very human like mindset).
I also think there may have been quite a few words used throughout the series that held Christian or Biblical Connotations, though I can’t track them all down. The major one though was Mochizuki-sensei’s use of 救い(すくい) (sukui) in reference to “the light” and Oz (who “the light” often times represented). It can mean “help,” but it tends to mean “help” in the way of “salvation” and is used in terms of wanting to help people/save people from hunger or poverty or something along those lines. It is the term that is used in the bible when referencing to things like Jesus being humanity’s salvation and such. Jesus is often times connected to being seen as the light and hope, just as Oz is. There is also the fact that Mochizuki-sensei chose to use the term 罪（つみ）(tsumi) when talking about the “crimes” that the characters have committed. She could have used the term 犯罪（はんざい）(hanzai), which just straight up means a “crime” or “offence,” but she used tsumi instead, which carries the connotation of “sin.”
I even think one of the names of the retraces may have had a Biblical connection too, but I can’t really remember off hand.
I, myself, am not Christian, but I do find the use of Christian mythos and such in texts to be interesting and fascinating. And this is all, of course, all open to interpretation. But there is quite a lot of Christian and/or Biblical interpretation that can actually be found within the PH series and Oz does fit rather nicely into the Messiah/Christ Figure role.
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Alice, you poor girl, you had really shitty parents.
It’s been on my mind recently, I like Lacie (she’s among my favorites) and Levi, but what they did to their daughter(s) was really terrible, and the fandom’s fondness of portraying happy au families / them as being really loving kind of rubs me the wrong way.
I won’t say that Lacie and Levi didn’t care about Alice at all, but, I really mean that as at all, 0%. They are still a long, long way from loving parents -
For them, Alice is, first and foremost, a tool, a means to an end. An experiment; a new friend (toy) for the abyss. And just for that, they easily put their daughter(s) in an incredibly dangerous/unstable/harsh/lonely position. And, if you think about it, those girls led crap lives, barely being able to experience life. Alice killed herself to save her most precious friend - her favorite toy. Not to mention all the crap white Alice had to put with, never even being able to leave the Abyss and being pressed to the brink both physically and mentally.
It’s utterly terrible what they put the Alices through, and it entirely precludes them from ever being called “good parents” in my book. Like, Xai is better? He at least gave enough craps about his son to go on a roaring rampage of revenge, and gave up his life for his daughter? Lacie is, having children in the abyss would be good!, Levi is, Jack, you’re free to use her~.
Ugh, those girls deserve so much better.
I don’t hate Lacie and Levi as people; only as parents. And I get why, at least, Levi did it. And I know that asking unluckiness surrounded Baskervilles to understand what a loving parent should be like to is unreasonable.
- But none of that changes the fact that what they did to their daughters was truly terrible. I can’t see them as regarding Alice as anyone precious or beloved.
