#poi patchayamon

[purple-and-mint-blog]

The case was filed by Build Jakapan and his legal team in February, 2023 and the hearing was expected to happen in May.

May is here and the matter is finally settled in court.

Below are the statements from both Build Jakapan and Poi Patchayamon.

(Credits to __yakibbb on Twt for the translation.)

Few hours to spread the lies or twisted information. Few months to get the truth.

[oishitea]

I've held off posting for a long time about the issue regarding Build and Poi.

A lot of things have rubbed me wrong about the way it went down, how the people involved handled it in the beginning, I am severely allergic to Twitter, and all in all, it's been so much to take in and digest over the past few weeks. I have no real understanding of law for any fucking country and I am not a source blog for news or updates or translations. Speaking in support of anyone, to me, seems perfectly inappropriate and useless. As much as I have my own personal thoughts and feelings, I'm aware of biases and that's no basis for an open conversation.

That, and well....I've been here before. I don't mean with the thing about the dug-up tweets that caused a riot a few months ago. I don't even mean controversial celebrity trials in general. I'm talking about people I personally knew very well being in a lawsuit where some hefty accusations were made and the community got split over their feelings about it. It's a fucking nightmare. I don't need to repeat those details because it was a different case and projecting any of those circumstances onto the one in question would be wrong.

So I'm only going to say this once.

Cut it out.

Stop being self-righteous. Stop taking extreme positions and cutting off friends whose thoughts and views vary. I don't care how convincing one side or the other is to you right now - we do not know the truth and there is a fairly long wait for us to have it laid out for us. If you look at those supporting the opposite side as you and don't think of yourself as also potentially supporting a guilty person, please take a moment to reflect. What is your goal by acting that way? To be right? To feel right? To "weed out the idiots"?

Curate your experience all you like, but cutting people off to such extremes is going to make for very small corners and very nasty echo chambers. This fandom looked itself in the mirror and got so ugly the mirror shattered and we're all just shards now. Little pods of pro-this, anti-that, unsure-something-or-other, etc. There's still so many unanswered questions, and evidence to be reviewed and cross-examined. Some of you will still choose to deny the outcome because it doesn't match the narrative in your head. But before you reach that level of desperation, I simply ask that you put your energy toward making and keeping this fandom a place where people can come for escape.

I won't judge you for being open about who you support here, if you have chosen a side. But attacking and othering people really doesn't make you the better person and you're not gonna get some kind of badge of honor for being woke. A lot of us are just people who come to fandom because it's what brings us joy in a world that is very fucked up, so coming into that space to start fires and burn bridges is really shitty. Making people feel uncomfortable to speak up because they might be attacked or cancelled for merely wanting a proper discussion is awful and I've seen enough.

For those of you who could really use a shoulder to lean on, my offer is here. I can't promise to be a perfect support, and if you're looking for some kind of mediator in an argument that won't be it. But I encourage anyone who needs to get their thoughts and feelings out to take that opportunity privately. Take a step back or a break if you feel like that's gonna help. If you're still unsure, do not hesitate to use any resource you can think of until something works. This has been hard on mental health for some people and it deserves to be acknowledged and given the attention necessary to help people recover.

I still love many people in the KinnPorsche fandom. I still love KinnPorsche. I would love things to heal, regardless of whatever comes out of this lawsuit. I would still love another season of the show if it were possible, for current and upcoming BOC projects to do well, and for the other actors and creators impacted to still enjoy happy lives and careers. I hope this post encourages thoughtfulness and honesty, and most of all, unity. If you've read this far, thanks for at least considering my input.

[chalkrevelations]

hi! I'm new to the KP fandom and just saw your posts about the Build situation. I agree so much with what you're saying, thank you for taking the time to break it down and explain. I did have one question about it I was hoping you could answer. What is the part about Jeff calling out Poi for sexual harassment of a minor?? No need to get into it I just thought I'd ask because I haven't heard of this and it makes me feel really gross. Thanks <3

Hi Anon,

The referenced incident is some behind-the-scenes footage in which Poi reveals that she taught Barcode "in secret" how to be a good actor - by making him give her and Yok, her Daemi co-writer, massages. She's not the least bit fazed when Jeff tries to point out the inappropriateness of this. Barcode was a minor at the time - he didn't turn 18 until during the World Tour, following the release of the show. So this happened to the same kid who wasn't allowed to even watch some portions of the show when it aired, because of his age. (There were reports of Jeff covering his eyes during some scenes when Barcode was allowed to attend the theater airings of the episodes.)

I'm going to try to link one of the Youtube videos with this footage and hope Tumblr doesn't eat it: here. The relevant portion starts at 5:38.

The rest of the video is a compilation of bts footage showing some of both Poi's and Yok's interactions with various cast members that fans found inappropriate and troubling, and the video itself is titled "The Kinnporsche Authors are Trash," which was a prevailing attitude from all corners of the fandom, right up to the point when Poi detonated her dirty bomb in January. There were a number of fans who said they would prefer never to get a second season of the show if that was what it took to keep the cast from being exposed to further inappropriate behavior from Daemi.

I ... did not remember that the footage of Build was included in this. I also didn't remember the full clip of Poi with Apo, and I'm now wondering if what we see from him at the end of that particular clip is the same kind of roughhousing that both Poi and Build are now saying is how Poi got the bruises that she had claimed were from abuse.

[beyondtheindigosky]

About this Build Poi situation

This entire situation took an extremely tragic turn. And everyone who harped about morals and justice are making memes . I don't have a high sense of morality but I honestly don't think that this is something to rejoice about. Now so many things have come to light after this whole situation. So many lives are being ruined. Poi, Build , the kids who posted slanderous comments, all their lives have been ruined. Now that Poi is the defendant in the case most people who wanted to destroy Build don't care anymore. Because now that Build has left BOC , there's 'no point in fighting for justice.' The sheer irony of this all.

Now people are coming forward and apologizing to Build for spreading fake allegations. And all who have publicly apologized until now are underage. There's even a 12 year old apologizing. These are children. But now they have obtained criminal records even before they became 18. And they are being dragged all around social media for what they have done.

Poi's plaigarism allegations against Build have been debunked and now ,it seems as if she hasn't even filed a lawsuit against him. Now she has become the Defendant of this case. The charges against her are criminal charges and if undisputed she will definitely get a criminal record. This has even gone to the Thai national media and now her reputation is also in ruins. People are making fun of her contradictory tweets and openly mocking her.

People are making fun of all these people involved. Some hate Build for his tweets,other hate Poi and those convicted children for their actions and now all of them are being dragged to hell and back.

Even though I sided with Build and disliked Poi no one truly won here.

Apo's own fans turned against him and flung racist, homophobic comments at him all because of a filter.

Regardless of what we feel about them, these are all real people who are involved.To make fun of their lives ,to joke at their expense isn't a morally superior thing to do.

What's the point in talking about 'justice', 'morals' and 'victims' if we dump the case the moment the tide turns?

I honestly had concrete beliefs too. I didn't even knowthat there was something called 'imperfect victims' until this case happened. I didn't realize that we have to give a voice to the victim ,(no matter how imperfect they are) first. That was my mistake.

Everyone who made documentations and discussions about it has abandoned it . People mocked Build for crying and now they are mocking Poi for what's happening to her. It's very clear that Poi needs medical intervention.

If Poi can be considered an imperfect victim so Build. If Build is innocent until proven guilty so is Poi.

This entire thing has become a nightmare .With more and more lives being ruined. The court of Public opinion is an extremely ruthless place and we all are a part of it.

What all these people have done might be inexcusable in someone's book but this situation should have been approached in a more humane way.

The court of Law forgives but The court of public opinion never does .The same people who stand by you will abandon you in a second.

There's one thing common in all these people involved ,they have all become social outcasts. We have pushed them out of society with no remorse.Because all of us ,from both sides decided to hate each other and drag all these people to hell.

Most of us just needed a scapegoat to hate .Now that Build seems to be the victim, Build has been replaced by Poi and the other people involved .

We all tried to force all these people to be picture perfect and when they don't fulfill it we get angry.

Build,Poi and everyone involved will have to live with this until they die. There's no escape for them.

At the end of the day everyone including me were complicit in spreading hatred and anger and dividing ourselves and expelling all these people.

I should have looked at this case in a humane manner ,but I failed to do so. We can find their actions inexcusable but they are inevitably paying for everything that they have done.

Degrading ,mocking ,rejoicing about their downfall is not the way to go in my opinion.But then again how can I talk about morality when I myself am not a good person?

This actually showed me that people truly don't care about things like justice and the victim .They will care only care if it affects them. That's the reality and human nature. They will discard the person the moment the victim becomes the defendant.

I am no better either.

The truth is a bitter pill to swallow,but I can accept it when I am wrong.

Poi,Build and the other 3 kids are a product of their society. Their experiences would have shaped them to take all those decisions that they took. They are all imperfect. They are all human.We don't care about the real issue here.

But people can't be imperfect right?

Everyone has to be perfect right?It's easy to mock them right?

It's easy to ignore these problems right?

Build's tears are crocodile tears because he's a devil and not human enough to cry, am I right?

Poi shouldn't be sympathized with because she is crazy and delusional right ?

Those children and their parents should be shamed and mocked because they committed crimes right ?

It's easy ignore their struggles and not care because they no longer matter to us right?

We only need them as scapegoats just to hate them right ?

It's fun to see them dragged to hell right?

Degrading them, Dehumanizing them , sensationalizing this whole situation,dropping them when we can no longer seem to care , Ignoring how they feel because they are wrong feels good right ?

Let's not give them a voice because they are monsters right?

Their feelings don't matter anymore because we hate them right ?

How we failed them all. It took me a long while to accept this all but this is the bitter reality .And I was complicit in it as well. So I am no better .

Initially this was made under a meme about Build's resignation but now I made my own post about it. People shouldn't make memes out of the destruction of a person's life no matter how much you hate them.

[rynfinity]

While this is definitely more of an issue on the bird app, I’m seeing some of it here too, so…

Re: the Build/Poi situation:

Right now, there is at least one active court case in play (I say “at least” because Poi has not recently, publicly shared the current status of any action she is taking). We have seen direct proof that Build has a legal team, and Poi has stated she does as well.

Based on this it’s highly likely - essentially a given, any time we see either party speak in the presence of their lawyer - what the person you are supporting is saying and doing is what their legal team advises. Their legal teams have several advantages over the fans (international fans especially, but most local fans as well):

They have spoken directly and extensively with their client, know what their client wants to - and can reasonably - achieve, and have partnered with their client to develop a plan to get to the desired outcome.

They are fluent in Thai.

They have - either directly, or through official channels, e.g., the police, opposing counsel - access to the actual evidence, and to the people who are providing it.

They are experts in the related areas of Thai law, and in navigating both the legal/court system and the press.

We are all entitled to, and bound to have, our own opinions. Some fans may not feel the person they stand behind is taking a hard enough line. They may not approve of that person’s taste in friends, or choice of supporters. That’s all fine.

However, when you act on your opinion and/or incite others to do so, keep in mind that 1) it’s unlikely you know what the person you’re supporting wants/what’s best for them, OR how to achieve it, better than their legal team does, and 2) by acting against their recommendations you may actually be making things worse for the person you think you’re helping.

Best case, you’re one voice on the internet, accomplishing nothing. Still, understand the risk… it’s a lot safer to keep your opinion to yourself, or rant in your friends’ DMs about it.

[chalkrevelations]

related to your Build post, when was Poi homophobic against him??

Hi Anon,

This is in reference to a tweet Poi made during her initial onslaught of bullying, harassment and online abuse of Build in January. I have a prior post about it here. Halfway down there's a link to the tweet in question, which is still posted and public to this day.

Tl;dr - Poi used a homophobic dog whistle that evokes the specter of promiscuous gay men by asking if she needed to be tested specifically for AIDS while she was also implying that Build was cheating on her during their ... whatever you call a relationship that one of the parties is trying to get out of. Like most dog whistles, it's designed to be indirect, subtle but understandable, providing the user with 1) enough deniability that they can clutch their pearls and play the victim if they're called out on it, because of course they didn't mean such a thing, why are you being so mean? and 2) a counter-attack of, why are you so prejudiced as to automatically think that's what that means?

I'm not the only person who understood exactly what she was doing.

(For similar effect, see the term "urban crime" in the mouths of racists.)

[rynfinity]

I wish Pond would issue an English translation of his remarks, rather than leaving that in the hands of translation apps and people who aren’t neutral and may inject their own opinions.

Some of it seems to translate pretty cleanly - both parties reached out after the agreement and seem relieved, which pleases him; he stayed out of things along the way because both parties asked him to; he could seek legal recompense from them but does not intend to.

The part about fake news is less clear to me. Is he issuing general advice about not succumbing to or spreading fake news? Is he warning those who spread fake news that, going forward, he will not be as lenient with them as he’s been with Build and Poi (and that those outside Thailand should not assume they are outside the reach of the law)? Both?

Nothing whatsoever against fan translators; just, given the situation, I’d rather hear it in his words and come to my own conclusions.

[rynfinity]

I’ve said it before, but I feel like it’s time to say it again.

Two people - and two people alone - really know what transpired between Build and Poi. I’m reasonably certain neither is reading this post.

Outside of that, and armed with very few actual, confirmed facts, the rest of us just have opinions. Our opinions are colored by so many things - our personal experiences and those of our friends and families, the prevailing cultures in which we grew up and/or now reside, our religious/spiritual beliefs, our ethics and viewpoints on right and wrong, our capacity for empathy, our personalities, etc. - that it’s not at all surprising we start from the same (few) facts and reach completely different conclusions.

Still, just opinions. We can speculate all we want, but we don’t actually know:

what happened

who is in the right, and to what degree

who deserves what outcome

who has already gotten what they deserve, be that reward and/or punishment, v. who still has it coming

what others’ stated opinions really say about them as people

We don’t know. We may never know.

Ripping each other to shreds on social media doesn’t help Build. It doesn’t help Poi. It doesn’t help their former colleagues.

It certainly doesn’t help us, either. :(