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[raspberryberyl]

I feel like this newest dsmp lore with Jack and Tommy is a lot like the song "California" by Chappell Roan. Not just for the characters, but on a meta level for the fans too. Maybe this isn't how other people interpret "California", and its just me being a newer member to the pink ponies. But "California" to me, is about not giving up. Its the meta of the song that Chappell wasn't getting success, that the record dropped her, that she was loosing hope. "Cause I was never told that I wasn't gonna get The things I want the most But people always say, "If it hasn't happened yet Then maybe you should go"" She wasn't making it, she was loosing hope, and she could have given up, but she didn't and now look at the fame she has four years later! To me this song is "don't give up on your dreams. Even if it doesn't work out immediately, don't give up. You never know what could happen. You'll never know if you don't try and keep going." So c!Tommy and c!Jack, they both had so much hopelessness. They were both bitter, lol bitterduo. They felt like they were at the end of a wire. In the nuke finale, it really felt like they had lost all hope, there was nothing they could really do so might as well give up.... But here in this epilogue, we see healing. They aren't bitter with each other anymore, they are friendly. Its been some time, and they've both grown and healed. They lives aren't perfect, but its getting there. They didn't chose to just give up and die. For us fans, a lot of us felt hopeless and frustrated with the dsmp finale. The dsmp came to its end, and we all mourned. Some of us became bitter towards the past. Upset for having hope. Longing for the past. Clutching onto whatever positive alternate ending we can come up with. Time passed, we were all pretty sure the dsmp would just stay dead. It's life's end flawed and tainted. But despite its bitter end, we held onto our love. We made those aus. We hoped. And look, we got it. We got our hopeful, positive, epilogue. Not just hopeful for C!Tommy, Tubbo, and Jack, but for everyone. This epilogue filled me with hope and faith that they really all could be ok. We might not see their happy endings, but they exist. We just have to believe it. I finally feel content with the dsmp being over :'] I feel like so much of my anger and sadness is gone. I feel free. And I am so thankful. The dsmp may be over, but they are happy, there is hope of them being happy. And that's all I've ever wanted for them.

[raspberryberyl]

To that one ask I just got, you are totally right. I don't expect people to still love things they made years ago, I myself have fallen out of love with things I have created. You are right. I suppose I just don't like expecting other people not to still love that thing you made. I can totally understand if cc!Tommy didn't like the dsmp, and that would be totally fair. I guess I'm just thrown off by the cc and past fans being like "you actually like the dsmp?" But yeah I was being harsh on Tommy. Tommy's video is totally him and totally in character. I'm just a bit bitter and taking this as an opportunity to voice some of my thoughts. And I guess my harshness comes from the fear of giving cc!Tommy the benefit of the doubt? Like I don't know him, I don't know what his real thoughts are. Part of me is scared of trusting cc and believing the best in them after everything this fandom has been though. And yeah cc!Tommy has on several occasions said that c!tommy was the bad guy, but I and many other very much disagree with that and find it hurtful. I suppose it's just hard when cc!Tommy has expressed that he knows his character so well (as of course he made the character) but then says things like that. I am mainly thinking of the eve of the dsmp finale, where in his chat cc!Tommy was saying that c!Dream was the villian/bad guy and whatnot, and that c!Tommy was a victim. And how he might make a stream talking about it, but then never did. I know he knows it, so it just hurts that he seems to backtrack.

But yeah you are right. And maybe later I will regret and disagree with my original post. But I just felt like sharing my thoughts in the moment.

[raspberryberyl]

I empathise reading through what you wrote, but it probably isn't healthy to be upset at some of those things, very genuinely not trying to come across rude :')

It's fine. I was going to ask what you were specifically referring to, but then I reread my post and I think I can maybe get it. I'm just passionate about my interests I guess, especially ones as dear to me as the dsmp. I chose to watch the Tommy video, but I know that if I hadn't I would be hearing about it second hand and it would still hurt if not more. I try to just enjoy the dsmp in my space and not think about the cc but they keep bleeding through against my wishes ^^ so yeah maybe it's unhealthy, but I can't really help it? I'm going to feel how I feel and all I can do is try to curate my experience and when things I don't like bleed in I cope (sometimes by posting about it).

[raspberryberyl]

ah I love the dsmp and some people (mainly cc's) are killing me.

I had to watch the cctommy video because idk ocd or i just felt like it would kill me if i didn't watch.

Tommy was usual tommy fashion, and the video was good! Don't get me wrong. I love that he didn't say it was cringe, and was nostalgic and positive about it. That he had good things to say.

I believe and want to believe in my heart that cctommy really cares about the dsmp and ctommy. Sometimes it feels like cc!eret , cc!quackity, cc!tommy are the only ones that really care. That care about the audience that they've created, that try to cultivate it. I want to believe that others care too but its these three that i feel are the most vocal about it.

But watching the new Tommy video, i feel slightly hurt. I know Tommy is just being Tommy fashion and being silly and "annoying", and maybe he's not being completely full hearted and serious because he wants to appease fans that do think it was cringe (which seems to be quite a bit, mostly twt).

But i just feel like, is it so hard to believe that people would care about the story you created? Especially one that is so unique and tackles such raw and real emotions and experiences. for my fellow ctommy fans, its family, home, abuse, suicidality, etc.

Maybe it's because it just doesn't feel real to the cc, that they made this popular series. Maybe it's because to a lot of them it really was just a game and goofing off. But to us fans, it was so much more. We poured ourselves into it. And it hurts to be treated like a joke and "cringe".

I feel grateful to cctommy for saying the positive things he did, but should I? Should i be appreciative that he treats us with bare minimum respect... like yes I know he cares, I think he does, but his joking attitude about it all makes me feel like a joke.

I did not like the constant sexual innuendos about c!tommy. was the foreplay one a little funny? yeah maybe. but describing the classic hurt c!tommy sigh/grunt/thing like a moan? no, i did not like that.

Maybe he's coping with humor. as other people pointed out cctommy was constantly sexualized on that server. And as he said he is an adult now that can joke about it anyway he likes because it is HIM.

I also did not like him describing ctommy as "a bad guy." ctommy had flaws, he was not perfect, that's one of the reasons he is so great, but he was not a bad guy. I could see c!tommy thinking he is the bad guy, but cctommy is the writer and should know better. I don't like being told that an abuse victim who is so very human, is "the bad guy". I might only partly forgive him for this because he talked about how c!tubbo (and cc!tubbo), was often an ignored victim and character that deserved to shine.

I did not like the "making fun of " suicide. Which is a major problem the dsmp writing has.

I am forever hurt by how the cc treat us. I devoted so much of my time and energy to this just to feel like a joke, just for them to act like they don't care. Well i choose to continue to care, because i really and truly do.

I've said it before but cc!ranboo was my main main, i watched every stream, even the non dsmp ones. But with how they treated c!ranboo, i just can barely bring myself to watch them. i did not get into generation loss, it hurts too much. I respect Ranboo for going with his passions and not doing things just to appease fans, but i am forever hurt that he had so little care in the end for something that so many of us cared about.

Most cc are just silent about their dsmp days and have no comment. But then others joke about how the fans cared? cc!puffy i was devoted and excited for your lore, and you failed to deliver it and now treat us like a joke.

And other cc where it just feels like they are trying to milk it for content, don't get me started.

And I'll be honest, I am still sick of all this dancing around the subject in the room that is the problematic cc. I get the cc don't owe us their views, and probably don't want to further drama. But Tommy can you just say you don't like or support Dream! Can any cc be open about it! Tommy stop giving me heart attacks by putting dt in your thumbnails 😭

And yeah this was really long and rant/venty, I feel like i forgot some stuff that i wanted to say so i will just add it later if it comes to mind.

But my point is, people cared about the dsmp. Some people moved on, and many of us are here and still thriving. People care, so stop being surprised that we do. Stop treating us like a joke.

If you're going to mention it cc, be respectful, kind, and maybe don't say anything if you don't really care about it.

the dsmp had many issues, no one is denying, but people cared.