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Sword Demon Miyamoto Iori for his birthday of November 13th

THEY'RE FINALLY DONE 😭😭 This is how I've always imagined him in my head!

LOOK AT THE SWORD DEMON THAT'S HIM!!!!! ESPECIALLY THE FIRST EXPRESSION

Happy birthday to my favorite character of all time. I hope you can make me happy again, inspire others, and more people can understand you!

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Miyamoto Iori and Yamato Takeru are addicted to each other 

Commissioned from my goat Kuroe!

Iori and Saber are addicted to each other and in this pose because they are in a codependent and abusive relationship with each other, with Takeru being the abuser! I'll explain why below!

The codependence is from Iori's birthday line in FGO mentioning that they're needed even though Iori knows how to cook, and Takeru's Bond CE "My Dearest Days" in FGO being about him.

The abuse in the relationship is the entire point of their dynamicFSR and FGO.

Takeru starts off insulting Iori and not caring for his wellbeing. Even when they warm up to him, they still call him weak even though they know that's his biggest insecurity. Them saying that he's kind even if he's weak is what causes Iori's breakdown. It feels like he's trying to prove that he's good enough to them.

During the NG+ ending, Takeru said that they can't sympathize with his problems and even want his memories gone. In TM, memory erasure is akin to murder. They also say that Iori had no choice but to do this, which is gaslighting and making him believe he had no choice but that. A

fter the true end, Takeru shows extreme possessiveness. They get angry at Iori when Ibuki flirts with him in a romantic sense and also get angry at Iori for admiring other swordsmen in FGO part 2's ending because they want him to only admire them.

In the FSR collab, Takeru stalks Iori to the point of discomfort, verbally abuses him, and gaslights him by making him think, "Just what have I done?" In Iori's Valentine, they stalk Iori again by showing up without his permission even when Iori asks them why, to the point Iori is begging Ritsuka for help.

Iori's voice lines also have him say, "Saber, don't pull. Don't pull my sleeve. I got it, I got it, we just have to go together, right?" Which shows Takeru's control and also implying that they might become physically abusive with him later because of them touching /pulling Iori in a way that he didn't like.

I know abuse is a heavy word, but it's not a boogeyman at all. Abuse is when two people care about each other, romantic or not, yet one hurts the other through neglect, control and/or mistreatment, which Takeru has done to Iori.

I'm mature enough to be okay with different interpretations from the text. I can't interpret any character treating someone like this any other way. It's odd that no one has brought this up in two years, given how a lot of TM fans flock to TM for its problematic content. If you're an Iori fan, shouldn't you acknowledge the interpretation that the relationship is hurting him? Anyway, I'm up for respectful discussion if personal insults aren't thrown.

Here's some evidence of other people having the same interpretation. I whited out their names.

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Psychoanalytical theory in relation to Iori, and how he's described to be like inherently evil characters like Kirei, Tohno and Beryl - brief TM psychology meta about personality disorders, OCD, psychopathy and autism

Also, more Koei Tecmo slander! It's amazing how badly they fucked up on so many levels, and now they're giving people the wrong idea of what personality disorders actually are by describing them as psychopathy, and now people have the wrong idea of both.

Taking notes for my social science course and this is how people describe Iori lmao.

"His instincts wanted him to kill for fun. He only did good things because it was the rational way forward and what he was taught..."

Aka the ID, Ego and Superego in the psychoanalytical school of thought. The ID is instincts and immediate satisfaction, the Ego makes rational decisions to balance it, and the Superego are morals and values shaped by circumstances.

But I don't think his killing urges stem from ID, like they do for other TM characters like Kotomine Kirei, Tohno Shiki, and Beryl Gut.

Kirei doubled down on his evil urges because he couldn't accept that he had both good and evil in him after his reaction to Claudia's suicide. The subtext is also that the Church's teachings made him believe that he was evil just for having those urges in general; similar to how a mage like Bazett had to repress her kindness.

Tohno on the other hand, accepted himself and just tried to live the right way. He was lucky because Aoko taught him to be a good person and not kill for fun when he was young. She stopped his evil acts while accepting him.

Kirei never had that; he never had an influence since he was a child to tell him to accept himself and also hold him accountable.

I don't think Iori is like either of them. His goals and ambitions to be the strongest are what warped his personality so much.

It's really disgusting to me that people think that he went full Joker just to kill for fun because his normal life was boring. That's Beryl, dawg. And I love Beryl as a villain for being extremely entertaining.

If you want a misogynistic guy who kills out of boredom instead of ambition, there he is!

I'd respect the differing Iori takes if:

They used image evidence to back up the claims. As my new English teacher said, any interpretation is valid as long as you use evidence to prove it.

They tied it in to real world psychology, like psychoanalytic theory with the ID, Ego and Superego.

Koei fuckass Tecmo tried to sound clever but missed the mark. The hell is a "congenial personality disorder"?

A personality disorder is an unhealthy method of thinking, feeling and behaving, caused by a mix of environmental and genetic factors. There are 10 different ones in the DSM-V.

However, the way KT is describing him seems to line up more with psychopathy.

Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality,[1] is a personality construct[2][3] characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, persistent antisocial behavior,[4] along with bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits. These traits are often masked by superficial charm and immunity to stress,[5] which create an outward appearance of apparent normality.[6][7][8][9][10]

The way it describes Iori as someone with superficial charm who lied about why he wants to understand others, is a "cold-blooded ravenous sword demon", and hell, even the egocentric traits when he says "I want to stand above you all", that's psychopathy.

If that's their interpretation, that's NOT a "congenial personality disorder". Stop trying to sound clever. They should have just called it psychopathy instead.

If you ask me, Iori has a form of OCD - where he formed an obsession with something where he feels that he can't live without it. This screenshot kills me each time I see it because of how vulnerable he looks.

So yeah, I would respect Iori or any other TM character psychology discourse more if people actually used images to back up their claims, and they tied it in to real-world concepts too, since Nasu was a human science major.

If you think Iori is a psychopath with superficial charm, egocentric traits, and impaired empathy, please back up your claims, and don't make up terms like "congenial personality disorder".

OH AND I'M MAD ABOUT THIS TOO! AS AN AUTISTIC PERSON, YOU CAN'T CALL HIM OR ANYBODY ELSE AUTISTIC JUST BECAUSE THEY ACT "WEIRD!" That's what's actually ableist!

He's too socially aware to be autistic, IMO. Is that not what people glaze him for?

Autism is primarily defined by persistent deficits in social communication and interaction. It's why people joke that most VN protags are autistic because following someone who is extremely competent at some things yet dense at themselves or others makes a fascinating story.

However, Iori is too socially aware for that, and I like that my top 1 OAT isn't a 1:1 of me because it means we can respect all neurotypes.

Either way; you can't throw around things like autism, psychopathy or personality disorders without actual proof and knowing what they mean. If you think Iori is a psychopath or you interpret him through psychoanalytic theory, prove it.

I know people would say it's not that deep because "it's just fiction". However, people treat Nasu works as they are deep because of his positive themes (which they often don't internalize given how stories like FSR and LB6 make them go masks off!) and say that him being a human science major means he treats his protagonists' mental illnesses with respect.

That's why the way that KT describes Iori is so harmful. If he is a psychopath - and I disagree with that take but I respect it. I think he has OCD and I disagree that he was pretending because of him saying that he resigns himself to throw away his excess like kindness.

However, I love spamming the "I will stand above you all" screenshot and psychopathy is defined by egocentrism and lack of empathy, so I can see that reading too. Since there's no inner monologue, people can interpret the first screenshot as lying, and that he did want to kill everyone all along.

Since Koei Tecmo's description of Iori in the logbook is textbook psychopathy, then they should not have thrown around the term "personality disorder" just like that. It's reductive towards real personality disorders, and now since people treat all TM works as sacred depictions of real life mental problems, they've gotten the wrong idea of what personality disorders actually are.

That's the worst thing Koei Tecmo has done - much worse than any character regression, plot holes, or "I wanted 😈 Iori". This has real-world ramifications by giving people the wrong idea of what personality disorders are by describing them as textbook psychopathy, which is harmful to the perception of both afflictions.

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Yui Shousetsu punishing Miyamoto Iori for what he did in ETD

Commissioned by @/pttyr_ on Twitter

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really funny that the extent of iori's new artwork for the fgo collab is "he's at a different angle now"

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