#sarajaspers

[hellyeahomeland]

Something I am wondering about now since the finale: where did Q get that picture of C from? It did not look like an 'official' photo from CIA or so, it looked more like a private one. I imagine he took it that night after her fathers funeral from her sisters house. Maybe it was standing there on a sideboard in a frame. That idea just makes me so sad 😥...he was so in love....

Wherever he got the photo from, it’s from the same photo shoot as the picture of Carrie and Franny that Carrie keeps on her nightstand in S4′s Kabul. Note the same lighting, Carrie’s sweater, and backdrop.

So, it was a family photo - a private photo - that Quinn picked up somewhere. Maybe someone gave it to him, but I like your idea that he snatched it out of the frame at Maggie’s house. That makes my heart hurt.

[hellyeahomeland]

Did you ever considered that Q was there (in a way via radio/surveillance from a distance) nearly every single time (3 out of 4?) when C&B were intimate (her house, the cabin, the motel)? He probably was even 'witnessing' when Franny was conceived? Sorry now I'm losing it 🙈...

Absolutely. He did witness the moments leading up to Franny’s conception, that much is obvious. 

I thought that was kind of a theme of S2... and ultimately, probably what led him to fall in love with Carrie. 

I think of this quote from Jacob Clifton (drink!) which was written about Carrie and Brody but I think described Carrie and Quinn really beautifully too: 

She knew him before she ever saw his face. She climbed into the walls of his house, and heard his sleeping breathing, and fell in love with him. She traveled side-by-side with him, through his trauma and his recovery, their hearts beat in tandem long before they met, and when they met the whole sky lit up. The purpose for which they were put on this Earth. She brought him back, so many times, she hauled him up out of there, every time it got dark. So few of us are ever really known.

[hellyeahomeland]

#1:Talking about Q's moral code: 1/ he left his child for good 2/ he wasn't able to be with his child's mother 3/ he used A over years, for private&professional reasons 4/ he also e.g. 'used' his landlord lady when HE needed a kind of extraction & HE decided when he had enough of it 5/ he killed people, certainly not without collateral damages. So you can argue abt his reasons for all his bad actions, but in the end I don't see him having a incompatible or even a 'better' moral code as C. #2...

#2: In fact, C took responsibility for her bad actions&changed them: 1/ she decided to go back to her child 2/ she was 'willing' to be with her child's father, B 3&4/ same, but with different partners. in the end she stopped that behaviour (Jonas/refused Otto) 5/ same, but she quits CIA. Don't get me wrong, I love C&Q/CD&RF deeply, but what RF said abt moral code is not correct from my POV as a viewer for years now.

I feel you, dude. It’s clear to me that Rupert is channeling Quinn’s heart — admittedly, I don’t think that Peter Quinn or any other iteration of this man ever really had a chance. 

Carrie makes choices and has follow-through, and occasionally it’s to the detriment of the people she loves — most notably, to Quinn, and we love him. So it’s really easy to nod along with Rupert. 

That said, on my previous post on the subject, I got an utterly amazing comment by our lovely reader and friend, @inchbyinch68: 

I believe Quinn's accusations that Carrie is responsible for his disabilities are along the same lines as his belief that she "took him down when his back was turned." He is experiencing clinical delusions of paranoia that are especially confusing because of the real threats he faces and Carrie's real harmful actions.  What an interesting story to explore!  These writers are genius for setting this up.  I can't wait for the story to continue.

Good god, this show is a mess.

[hellyeahomeland]

I just read an interview with Nina Hoss in a german magazine. She stated that due to the alteration of the story during filming in december Astrid had to die. And that she is still under contract? The interview was released on 4/14 🤔...So I think AG made his decision to kill off A and then Q during the season. But what had happened that AG took that turn? Was it cause it turned out that DT was the new president elect and not HC? They needed a deeper inpact for their story cause they were wrong?

Anonymous #2: Infuriated all over again. Kimberly Graham, CSA for Homeland just tweeted “RF wanted to leave last season. We got him to stay S6. Move on” in response to #noquinnnohomeland. When people replied that this is in direct opposition to what Gansa and RF has said she replied “I cast the show. I don’t write the show. Please direct your frustrations elsewhere.” Now she’s deleted her tweets. Sara, this is unacceptable. Please make RF, Gansa or ST clarify. It’s really awful to disrespect fans. I have screenshots. Please tell me where I can send so you can post. Maybe they will do something.

I think we are owed an explanation. 

[hellyeahomeland]

I think the moment Astrid died, we should've known Quinn is also going to die. Astrid was Quinn. Her relationship with Quinn mirrored the relationship Quinn had with Carrie. Quinn was to Astrid what Carrie was to Quinn. A tragic love 😥

I have felt all season that the writing was on the wall for Quinn, but expectations can only prepare you so much for reality. It didn’t help. It’s still devastating. He’s still gone.

As much as I hate it, I agree with you about Astrid. She was too great a character to just throw away, but as soon as they decided to kill Quinn, she became expendable to the story.