#skoptics

[hibou088]

"As far as religion is concerned in removing sexuality, you have to read the scripture well and find scriptures that benefit the antisexual way. If none exist, just take an existing one and alter it a bit or change the interpretation kinda like the Skoptists or Valesians did.

Valesians and Skoptists looked hard at what sexuality is and realized it is a filthy disgusting thing that their lord would never allow even within marriage and thus saw all the claims that marriage is good as hogwash.

The Christian scripture does say that Jesus would prefer if His followers stayed celibate till death and only prescribed marriage for those too weak to actually do it. Thus Jesus sees antisexual people like us as great people and those sticking to their manipulative monogamous relationships as the weaker ones that need to repent and go through all these hoops to even taste the glory of mind and soul we enjoy.

For an antisexual person who just leaves sexuality behind, they already won the battle between good and evil. Its the suckers who try dating and marrying that have to walk some tightrope like an idiot to not look like total filthy swine (they still are probably) and still mess it up with more problems like porn addiction and infidelity within the marriage that still sours their so called holy union and hurts the children as well, which is totally selfish.

Islam is a fine example of a religion that will definitely be needing a change to fit antisexual ideals since least the ones I talk to would bully and insult me for being on my own making it sound like marriage is a requirement to stay out of their hell. And they don't even value monastic chastity as a virtue like Christianity does at least (don't get me started about the whole marry 3-4+ wives thing)."

For those practicing Abrahamic religions like Christianity, I would go to far as saying Sexuality is the main vehicle of Satan (as early as Genesis & Adam + Eve as Skoptism points out) and shall play a huge role in revelations with the majority of the population taking the mark of the beast in part or completely due to a sexual related urge.

For young men especially, sexuality is the main vehicle Satan uses to poison young mens' minds and turn them away from the holy spirit and leading to subsequent sins like overeating, irritability, envy, and rage which have been proven to be real biproducts of sexual mind sets."

[hibou088]

The principle of sex being the original sin is a lot more rational than eating an apple. No other animal engages in such degeneracy and paraphillias as humans so it would make sense that God did indeed catch Adam and Eve doing some filthy fetish stuff none of the other animals God created did and thus punished them deeply with pregnancy as a physical consequence of sexuality.

In this sense, the Skoptists are smart to want to undo the shame Adam and Eve put on all humanity according to their Scriptures. For those on the prosexual side that say the greater seal is too extreme and that Jesus died for our sins, they are forgetting an important piece. In the New Testament, it does say in multiple references that when humans go to Heaven, they will become eunuchs and devoid of their sexuality. Thus the Skoptics and related movements make the wise move of bringing Heaven to earth through their castrative measures instead of waiting till death. Other religions have provided similar arguments even if is just for the sake of maintaining celibacy, which a eunuch lifestyle will definitely facilitate.

Christianity's favored state is celibacy, but this has been long forgotten by most Christians. Valesians and Skoptsy are the most correct when it comes to christian interpretations. Jesus preached a friendship of humans through agapé, not a sexual relationship. Being one in Christ means we are all one and the same; there is no female or male, no jew or gentile.

Jesus made it clear that going the marriage route was because people were too weak to keep a chaste mind on their own with dumb modern preachers saying "both routes are equally acceptable to go to heaven" when clearly keeping a chaste mind has more peace than a relationship bound to infidelity, arguing, divorce court, and other modern problems. Someone one said that they want to hand out copies of the Bible that replaces God with "Sex". It kinda makes sense when you adjust the grammar.

The New Testament talks about marriage and Jesus said marriage was a "earthly" union and ends when you go up into the sky, thus making it temporary. So why do people engage in something they know is going to be temporary and end instead of just being a bit more responsible on their own and build a more direct relationship with God instead of needless anxiety ?"

[hibou088]

"If I were to continue that discussion, I would mix Gnosticism and Skoptsyism together. I'd claim libido is one of the sinful sensations a human must rid of in order to reach the Divine (God), for lust is one of the seven sins that degrades the connection between humanity and God. To defeat the "devilish" sin of lust, we must scientifically make advancements that kills libido once and for all without affecting our health drastically. How will we make more babies? Artificial reproduction. That needs to be prioritized in the scientific field. The new human evolution will have little to no libido. The stronger human race.

Always push Genesis when having these discussions with them. Let them know a fruit could also be symbolic of a woman's vagina "the fruit's flesh" and how God making Eve pregnant for defiance was likely a sexual related punishment since there would of been no need to engage in sexual filth if they maintained their original immortality. It was likely the act Satan or the Serpent tempted the two to do, resulting in God saying "If you want to engage in a lustful act like this when clearly I made you immortal unlike the other animals that have to do it as part of nature, then I punish you with mortality like the rest and thus you and all those in further generations have to do it as well just to survive but it will hurt real bad!"

Satan is the one that implanted sexuality into humans at the time of Genesis and thus sexuality is the reason why humans reject their Creator in favor of the Devil. Marriage is a social construct and I doubt Jesus would shoot down some magic light the second you sign you name on a dotted line on a marriage document to make that relation ok. In reality, marriage is simply a surrender to your fleshly sins since you are not strong enough to drown out your self and your nature.

From a more historical point of view, the antisexual movement was originally rooted in Skopsyism since its founders were in Russia, where that faith occured. The more damage the modern sexual monstrosity does, the closer to Skopsyism its practioners in large part will follow as a rebuke of what they see and what they are personally experiencing. Sex is social construct. God created sex organs for reproduction and not for selfish or hedonistic reasons.

I'm reminded of a passage from the apocryphal "Gospel of Thomas"... a pseudopigraphical, pseudo-gnostic or pre-gnostic document from the 1st or early 2nd century levant purporting to be the sayings of Jesus... One aphorism that is not canonical has always stuck with me :

"7. Jesus says: "Blessed is the lion which a man eats so that the lion becomes a man. But cursed is the man whom a lion eats so that the man becomes a lion!""

The "lion" here represents the sensual, fleshly appetites, and sexual desire in particular. When it consumes a person, they become a beast. When they consume the beastly desire though, it becomes human."