#skyrim bishop

[ayeshasrpgs]

I CAN'T BELIEVE COTHO MADE A SKYRIM ROMANCE VID TODAY

[rozennbansal]

Hey everyone!

This is a long leap, but let's try it:

Has anyone downloaded the Skyrim Romance mod cover of the song Last Christmas? I've been trying to get my hand on it since years! And I've only managed to get the url of the video, which is now in private. I've tried wayback machine to play it, but it doesn't work.

Here's the url: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0HxOqO04Zzg

If anyone has any ideas of how I could see and hear this version again, this would be very much appreciated! As it has been stuck in my head for years!

[ayeshasrpgs]

the feminine urge to re-design/re-write skyrim romance bishop...

[ayeshasrpgs]

so I was reading the cancelled skyrim bishop romance DLC document again (it's out in their website here if you wanna read for yourself) and felt like discussing more oddities I thought were interesting, and they actually don't involve the horrible way that bishop and the LDB treat serana at times, just overall a lot of weird, contradictory statements. this is just another nitpicky critique, no actual hate to its creators or the mod's fans, dissecting this mod is just a hobby of mine as a nwn2 stan

this entire part is so strange to me, i was talking to a friend about the mod and what even the target audience is supposed to be, what it's trying to do, and he said that it may well be a degradation/submission kink dark romance story, which is pretty accurate, right? but that's where you wonder, if it's TRYING to be that from the jump, why is the marketing so vague and contradictory? 'female power trip this, the men all respect you that' but it's the complete opposite. the LDB is just degraded as a powerless little girl who is also wanted sexually by every man in skyrim, all the other women in the mod are villainized in a similar way depending on if they defy bishop specifically or not, and so on...

anyway - 'purely contentious' - wow, i'm surprised this was even acknowledged given how much green-flagging the mod itself does all the time to smokescreen bishop's abuse tactics, but yeah, this is SO weird, i thought the direction was always supposed to be that? why the sudden change of heart? i know the mod got backlash but it clearly still has a lot of fans and doesn't seem to have stopped the mod itself or the team. i'm just like, if this was ALWAYS an abusive dark romance story, why was it not on the damn label/mod page? i'll never understand that! the mod is just so 'wolf in sheep's clothing' in terms of advertisement, and honestly, for what? so many people like toxic, dark romance. why not just specify it so you're not disguising a toxic romance as a female power trip, when it's LITERALLY the opposite of a female power trip? if it was a way to 'avoid hate' then i could understand but it's still very dishonest, confusingly so. like literally just say "oh yeah btw this is basically 50 shades of grey but skyrim edition" and you'd be good

also yeah bishop has several meltdowns if you do the main quest at all, leaving you alone to chug mead in a tavern. by design, if you're gonna design a companion that literally walks out on you if you do a quest, that's okay, but you have to understand it's counterintuitive, obnoxious gameplay wise, and most importantly it needs to make sense. i can see a good-aligned follower leaving you for doing evil quests but bishop throws a tantrum over you trying to save the world from, you know, being destroyed and ruled by dragons??? bro you're gonna die too if i play housewife in your ranger's cottage basement all day 😭💀

okay second part! so since bishop throws tantrums if you go after alduin, it's funny he'd be given quest commentary for those same exact quests, but i digress. as for the bishop and casavir stuff, it's pretty obvious the mod screams that the two had some kind of history. see, in nwn2, these two don't know each other at all. they just beef because bishop pretty much hates, like, everyone, but casavir is the female MC's only romance option in nwn2, so most of bishop's bickering is bullying casavir for not being locked in enough, though the female character can also show interest in bishop and disdain for casavir, although it leads nowhere. casavir did have a lot of cut content in nwn2 where i believe he had a relationship with ophala and that was kind of the reason for his downfall, and maybe bishop knew and was picking on him for that. anyway, considering skyrim!bishop beefs with ALL of the male rivals it's weird that only his and casavir's 'rivalry' gets any expansions. darren, alec, cael (omg i just realized alec/cael are anagrams of each other- sorry got sidetracked) just get the short end of the stick.

the part about neeshka has me so curious. i've no doubt it was probably something like "the two were a thing except the dialogue is written in such a way where it never hints at that" and honestly i think my guess is right. but let's look back at nwn2 real quick! oh, wait, doesn't neeshka literally tell bishop that she's gonna set him on fire after he coerces shandra to sleep with him? oh, and she also advocates for the idea of giving away bishop to the githyanki so they can essentially use him as a wench. she does NOT like this guy. they do share a few similar themes in nwn2 so you could still make a crackship or somewhat of a believable romance between the two IF you followed their writing accurately. but skyrim!neeshka is just so unbelievably unlike nwn2 neeshka to the point where she may as well be a new character entirely. so unless skyrim bishop/neeshka's thing was that she may have have a hand in, say, killing his brother (maybe casavir did so instead) then it would make zero sense for those two to have had a romance beforehand. their whole exchange in the tavern scene, at NO point, suggests that - it LITERALLY starts with "hiii i'm neeshka do you think i'm prettyyyy" why the hell would two people previously in a relationship talk like this to each other? ...unless neeshka was drunk, and bishop caught on to that, so he just dismissed her and played it off as their first encounter, in hopes the LDB wouldn't notice and... okay, maybe it's not THAT deep/intentional but you never know!

that's all for now folks, please host all your skyrim marriages in front of prisoner bishop and send him to cidhna mine or the chill xoxo 💋

[ayeshasrpgs]

skyrim romance neeshka vs nwn2 neeshka

also why is she even human i know tieflings aren't a thing in TES but she would've been PERFECT as a bosmer

also SR!Neeshka being completely ooc as usual, she's literally so sweet and loyal in nwn2 wdym she's a scummy tavern scammer/homewrecker?? neeshka isn't even FLIRTY in nwn2 💀💀

[ayeshasrpgs]

coming out as a skyrim bishop romance mod hater (LONG rant/analysis + NWN2 spoilers below, tw for abusive/toxic behavior)

aHEM... as someone who recently played nwn2, i can't describe how absolutely confusing this mod is, especially if you've no knowledge of nwn2 and its events, but even more so if you HAVE played the game. i only found out about nwn2 wayyy long ago thanks to the skyrim bishop mod, and it intrigued me enough to check out nwn2 since i was puzzled as to why the game itself and the mod were so inexplicably different, and especially what they did to neeshka and all the women in the mod.

so, coming from seeing all of skyrim!bishop's bullshit before anything in nwn2, i genuinely thought i was going to despise bishop in nwn2, which was partially true because at first glance they do seem almost identical, they're both antagonistic and sexist, but the first thing i noticed is that nwn2 bishop shows genuine levels of respect for Fem!KC, even if he's still a jerk to most female characters. it's written like "wow queen you're such an evil baddie i support it" and there's even this scene where he tells casavir to stop coddling Fem!KC and to let her make her own decisions as she is their leader. this is something you never see skyrim!bishop do and it's more about Fem!Dragonborn being basically a psuedo pushover housewife who gaslights herself into thinking bishop is peak hubby material. he also tends to like, really underestimate her and claim he's the only one who knows what to do at all times, while NWN2 Bishop actually treated her like a leader, despite his backstory.

and on the topic of NWN2 Bishop's backstory and the context as to WHY he's even a companion, to sum it up he's basically being blackmailed into helping the KC/NWN2 protag and their group and he despises each and every one of you... but not exactly, because you can genuinely build trust with him and he grows to honestly like the player enough to leave them alone instead of ganging up against them in the final battle. there's even some dialogue lines of nwn2 bishop wanting to leave together with the KC (forgot if it's female-exclusive, but yeah), THAT'S how much he can respect you. he's still a really shitty person and not everyone loves him as a character (i do love seeing him getting clocked) but i thought that was very interesting and consistent throughout nwn2. so, what happens to bishop after the events of nwn2? well, he fucking DIES. its actually quite graphic and horrific since he's eternally stuck in the wall of the faithless as he didn't actually believe in any deity despite being a ranger - i forgot how exactly he died but that's his fate. MOTB, NWN2's first story expansion elaborates much more on bishop's fate, but the point is, he's BEEN gone...

and this is where skyrim romance goes on a real skooma trip, because not only does it weirdly 'integrate' bishop into skyrim's world, it has a completely different lore for him and nothing. makes. sense. it's advertised like its something completely original when it's not, bishop is this awesome hot guy who can do no wrong (ok we know its nwn2 casavir tho <33), characters who oppose bishop get villainized, and so on (casavir, neeshka and karnwyr are in the mod btw. except casavir is written as a religiously traumatized sex offender, neeshka is a tavern wench scammer who committed the heinous crime of being a woman, and karnwyr... is just bishop's wolf lol he never had a personality but he's the only good character other than cael LMAO), i honestly wouldn't be critiquing it like this if it was openly advertised to be a toxic, abusive romance, but it keeps marketing itself as non-problematic and 'empowering' even.

anyway, skyrim romance bishop is also horrendously written and is like, the most abusive depiction you could picture of him. nwn2 bishop looks at this guy and shits himself. and this is where i ask, why was skyrim romance even created and advertised as this 'perfect hubby romance trip' mod in disguise of really confusing nwn2 fanfic? sure, maybe they were upset bishop died, i get it, i kinda miss him too, but why is skyrim romance neeshka just a selfish, seductive tavern wench when nwn2 neeshka is a chaotic, cutesy thief queen who yearns for kinship 😭😭

oh wait it's because she absolutely ends him in nwn2 isn't it- 👁️👄👁️

i could rant on and on, but i just really wanted to point out how nwn2 bishop is NOT identical to skyrim romance bishop, who lacks the nuance nwn2 bishop had and is a very poor adaptation of the character.

if this piqued anyone's curiosity please watch one of foulserpent's gameplay and analysis vids on the mod they're so informative and clock everything that's messy about it

[dynamite124]

as per tradition, what if willow was unfortunately exposed to bishop of skyrim romance infamy

Not sure how long you've traveled with Willow, but he's fiercely protective of the player. He'll give Bishop a gentle reminder to be a gentlemen, but he won't be as nice the 2nd time.

Willow might be sweet, but he has a bit of a dark side to him.

[pastasuccubus]

So I thought of making a sample snippet of how I think interactions between Siegfried (my OC from "Burn The Crown") and Bishop. To see how it'd flow, you know?

Bishop: So, your Ladyship, wh-

Siegfried: My title is "Siegfried"; use it before you lose it.

Bishop: And I'd lose what exactly?

Siegfried: I haven't decided yet. But do know that I don't need you unharmed nor alive to bust a dog fighting ring.

Bishop: I'd like to see you try, Princess.

Nebarra, sarcastically: Oh ho! Now that's a smart move! If you're no smarter than a skeever, that is.

Siegfried: *Stabs a dagger in his thigh, twists, and leaves it, walking away*

Bishop: WHAT THE FU- *devolves into incoherent swearing and name calling*

Taliesin: *visibly proud of Siegfried*

The rest: *impressed, but would rather that she had killed him*

Siegfried: If you're in so much pain, then use one of your potions. And next time, I won't be so nice as to only leave you with a flesh wound.

Auri, whispering: I could just make him "disappear," you know?

Siegfried, not bothering to whisper: Yeah, but we'd be set back several days if we want to bust that ring.

Auri: *sighs* That may be true, but people like him are dangerous.

Siegfried: If he becomes an active threat, I'll dispose of him. In that event---I'll be the one that eats crow.

Nebarra, shrugging: If you say so.