#st4 spec

[argylemikewheeler]

affectionately i can’t WAIT for mike to say something absolutely boneheaded when will tries to talk to him about Things

[bandgeekrobin]

Calling it now the last s4 scene for joyce/hopper/murray will be them getting back to cali and experiencing 3 solid seconds of relief and excitement before finding the byers' house in shambles and the kids all missing with zero indication as to what happened or where they are or if they're even still alive.

[argylemikewheeler]

There's no "lets start a new party you and me" yet. Who do you think that'll be between? How do you think it'll happen?

okay i'm being a complete dumbass (bc the thought of it being mike and will makes my heart crumple like paper) but what if it's eddie to steve asdkljsal

he's like "let's start a new party... just you and me." and steve's like "a what?" and eddie just. has to explain his gesture down to the finest details because steve is like what the fuck are you talking about... eventually dustin cuts in from like two rooms over like HE'S ASKING YOU OUT BUTTHEAD and they're both just like DUDE YOUR TONE

[argylemikewheeler]

in case you haven't seen it yet: jamie campbell bower made a character mind map to figure out how he'd play vecna and will byers was in the middle of it with everyone else around him and the duffers called it "spot on" what does it Mean what could it possibly M E A N... also Noah posted a picture of him in a harness and everyone thinks he's going to be cursed

oh we're in DANGER we're in fucking danger-- or more accurately, my god i think our william is in danger. and as much as i don't want anything (long term) bad to happen to him, i am... sort of relieved?? that they are pulling him back into focus. they haven't forgotten what will has seen and the pillar he is in the Main Story. he holds a key to vecna and understanding the upside down!

i hope we'll get more of what he experienced/how he survived in 1983... i would really like to know what it was like for will! now that we know about the upside down, we can actually See his pov without it revealing anything about the Mystery of the Upside Down Reveal, you know? we CAN know these things and i think it's time!!!

[argylemikewheeler]

thoughts o n the cursed will theory?

i mean???? i think it would be a GREAT follow-through for the series! like how can you have a villain all about honing in on those that are struggling and see will byers and have him not Lock Him In The Scope. I mean, when we knew nothing about will in season 1 we knew that he was coming from a family that was troubled (but with a mother that loved him so much she defended him at the destruction of her marriage). we saw lonnie for one season and it was to establish that he didn't give a fuck about will as he began to grow up (and into someone he didn't like)-- and called him a slur. i'm not saying like, oh will is SoOoO damaged or anything like but. he has been through the Most Shit and has just acted like everything is fine. he didn't shut down the way max did (which isn't pointing a finger at her or anything she watched someone DIE and she was dealing with so much complex guilt) but instead tried to just keep up with the flow of his friends. and failed. but by that time he was already presenting as normal again and couldn't "go back" to being like actually i didn't process this... i think vecna's motives are prime and ripe for a deep-dive back into will's personal narrative. get a little closer to the boy that started the whole show. it's about time!

[argylemikewheeler]

just thought about mike becoming a little jackass stoner and when will visits he’s just like oh you better cut this shit out immediately. mike’s flipped off his mom giving the same lecture and told his dad where to shove it, but the minute it’s coming from will byers oh. all bets are off he’s going straight edge.

[argylemikewheeler]

please share your thoughts about jancy, king !! i for one would love to hear them

OKAY so there are many avenues here. We have the realistic one and then the one that i'm just trying to write so i'm going to pretend it's canon so maybe my brain will get tricked and write it. Either way I don't think steve and nancy are going to get back together. they can't writing nancy cheating on her current boyfriend because she's on a different Squad while they're fighting bad guys again. like come on guys don't fucking do that. also the bit about time staying stuck in 1983.... their year together etc etc. So with that in mind, let's go:

Realistic: I think that 1. nancy and steve might kiss and be like... oh that doesn't feel right at all oh my god I'm so sorry. No no no no. And it becomes this little secret that's funny and never talked about in the show ever again and it's just. forgotten lol or 2. steve tells nancy how much she really shattered his heart so he CAN'T go through with anything if she thinks she still loves jonathan (and of course she does, so nothing happens) and they're just best friends. or 3. jonathan and nancy reunite and have that huge BOILING fight they've been needing to have and it's super cathartic for them because they're alive and so much matters and doesn't matter and they just want the other to be HAPPY!!!! and maybe that means taking a break for a little bit so there is no pressure with college choices, or maybe it means making a bigger effort to visit back and forth!! idk but i do think that they're going to stay together and steve is going to have his heartbroken again, just a bit. OR he'll protect it, but it'll still hurt.

OKAY NOW THE FUN SHIT: honestly, i would LOVE to see 1. (the most crazy) polyamory. give us the monster-hunting dating trio we deserve. but other than that JOKE that we'll never see bc cowardice 2. i'd love to see nancy help steve realize he's queer askljdakds like she's talking out how she feels about jonathan while they're doing a stakeout or something and steve's like.... "no that's not right. that's just a best friend nancy, how do you really feel about him? because i've felt that way about my friends-- you remember Anthony from the basketball team, right?? yeah!! same thing!! that's just buddy shit" and nancy's like.... "oh steve.... oh my god steve...." and then she's like "okaaaaay so you're having a moment and resorting to comfortable relationships. and i'm going through something and seeking comfort close by!! let's both just NOT go there... and let's get you in a conversation with robin STAT...."

either way i really think that jonathan and nancy love each other in a way that is so fundamental and so honest. like, the entire reason things are so complicated is because neither wants to hurt the other person or do something to disappoint them, so they're in this static state of non-communication. it's super shitty (and makes steve look "better" by comparison because he's there and it's easier to just say things to him), but the silence/stiffness comes from a very deep fear of messing things up with the person they love very much... (also look at their relationship role models. not to say that joyce and/or karen won't LISTEN to their problems/give advice but are they going to them and/or do they think their parents can even help them.... AH so complicated i love it)

[argylemikewheeler]

Do you think Will is going to call out Mike for not wanting to play DND with him, but joining the Hellfire club?

for the love of GOD i hope he does. i hope mike has packed his hellfire shirt and will compliments him on it-- because of course he will he's a nice friend-- then mike's like "oh my god THANKS eddie designed it! i think it's so rad" and will is just SIRENS like WHO in the FUCK is eddie... so then he pulls an explanation out of mike and first off he's relieved that this man is like... 19 years old and NOT in ANY WAY someone will has to really. spend energy thinking about but then it hits him like. HEY UH what the FUCK happened to not wanting to play dnd??? not possible to join another party EXCUSE ME??? and mike's just like. well, we aren't playing in my basement so. i figured it wasn't a big deal.

and then will just shoves him as hard as he can.