#stranded 4

[sparemintss]

DAWG WHAT THE HELL THE DOCTOR MAKING ME CRY BECAUSE HE GOT A SURPRISE BIRTHDAY PARTY ??1?1/ BRO WHAT THE HELLLLLL. IM IN TEARS- HIS HAPPINESS- HIM WEEPING WITH HAPPY TEARS BECAUSE HE GOT A BIRTHDAY CAKE. GET THIS MAN A BIRTHDAY CAKE EVERY YEAR CUZ WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME HE HAS ACTUALLY SAT AND CELEBRATED HIS BIRTHDAY 😭😭😭😭😭

[elizabethshaw]

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this scene’s going to be occupying my brain for the indefinite future. might as well have it on my blog too :’)

[being-of-rain]

There's a definite possibility that Liv might leave the TARDIS team in Stranded 4, and thinking about how weird it'll be to have an ongoing Eight series without her made me realise just how long she's been travelling with him.

In real-world time, Eight's had some extremely long-serving companions, but I think Liv is actually the longest. I checked some dates to make sure:

Fitz- 6 and a half years (February 1999-June 2005)

Izzy- 6 and a half years (September 1996-March 2003)

Helen (so far)- 6 and a half years (October 2015-April 2022)

Charley- 7 years (January 2001-December 2007)

Liv (so far)- 8 years (February 2014-April 2022)

[pitofneverendingsarcasm]

So you know how some songs have "the bit" that's just amazing so you always rewind it to that particular section and listen to it over and over. Or you start playing the song normally but get impatient so go straight to "the bit".

This is my new "the bit" and its not even from a song.

[riversofmars]

Opinions and spoilers below!!!

Okay, I've finished, here we go: Thankfully I enjoyed Stranded 4 so much more than Stranded 3... Overall, I thought it was a good conclusion to the series. They pulled all the strands back together and that was lovely.

4.1: Very good! Finally Helen back in a main role! Thoroughly enjoyed the Curator in this and that story about the Doctor's childhood? Outstanding!

4.2: I loved this from the bottom of my heart! The Eight/Liv/Helen dynamic is what the run has been all about and to have those lovely moments was everything!! Honestly, I think this will come to be one of my favourite episodes of Stranded. And if this is going to be the last box set of all of them together, this episode will give me comfort. Referring back to everything that happened since Dark Eyes... I loved that, honestly. And the implications as well that there were many more adventures we never saw with all those little snippets of memories!!

4.3: I thoroughly enjoyed that as well, there were a lot of good moments. The whole thing about Liv being in love with Tania and Helen sounding offended and walking off.... Surely that can't be interpreted a different way????? I'm sorry but.... and also the mention of Albie just had my heart aching!! And the story itself was just such a cool concept with the keys and everything. Really enjoyed this conclusion to the overarching storyline.

4.4: ....... I will say I found this a bit slow. It was a nice idea and well written, obviously, it was good. But with it being John Dorney, I would have expected more. Maybe it was the subject matter and the lack of a driving plot... Dunno.

But the most important thing? How do I feel about the ending?? I love the fact that they left it open in the way that there is time for Liv to carry on travelling with Helen and Eight. So they might carry the story on, thank HOLY FUCK for that. I hope they will carry on...

How do I feel about Liv staying with Tania? Very disappointed and not because I don't like them as a ship. I genuinely don't think that would be Liv's happy ending. I'm sorry but I don't. She will never see Tula again. She will never be able to work properly - she doesn't exist in that time zone, how is she going to do anything other than play housewife? It's not her time, she has no-one apart from Tania and is that really enough? In my personal opinion her relationship with Tania is just not that strong? They keep secrets. They don't communicate properly. They very different people. She genuinely didn't sound sure when she said about loving her? I just- No. Sorry. Not happy with that and I knew it was gonna happen, the moment she said her goodbye so quickly, with little doubt. I knew the TARDIS would return and drop her off. And I cried angry tears because it was so predictable and disappointing.

BUT! We don't know what happened to Liv in the meantime. ANYTHING could have happened. My personal comfort canon will be that this is an alternate Liv and she's gonna be in two places. Because she will also be with Helen forever in my head. That's that. Am I mad. Yes. Is this better than I had expected? Yes.

I'm super grateful everyone is alive and the story CAN continue with my favourite TARDIS team.

[wsdk-artwork]

The ending was almost perfect… it wasn’t a heartbreaking break up or a character death, it was liv choosing to live her own life, the one she’d lived on the tardis ever since times horizon, the one she even chose over the option of properly staying at home in Kaldor. Choosing to stay with The Doctor and Helen, even though she loved Tania. The couple were never perfect but I’m glad it wasn’t an overly dramatic end it was just a bittersweet goodbye as two people who loved each other had to part ways because they couldn’t keep it going. It felt real.

And it meant that we would get more 8, Liv and Helen. I was so happy. And then Liv came back. Staying with Tania for good. And I know this means there’s a big gap where we can get mor Liv 8 and Helen but now we know where it ends… in any stories with the 3 of them we know Liv will go back to Baker Street. It damages some tension and investment in future stories. And it means that for now… in what is livs farewell, she doesn’t say goodbye to the Doctor, the man she’s probably spent like 10 years with ever since dark eyes, or Helen, her best friend👀👀👀

I know we will get that goodbye down the line, but it will mean less as I know it’s coming and I know what choice liv makes. It feels like the inverse of the end of escape for Kaldor. Where Liv leaves for more adventures and then comes back, it’s like a poor man’s version of that. This might be biased because I’ll be honest I thought the bittersweet farewell was perfect and for a brief moment I had hope that it opened up the possibility of farther down the line, Liv and Helen’s relationship being Explored. I do enjoy Liv and Tania but I cannot get over Liv and Helen’s dynamic especially when Even in stranded, even in stranded 4 it’s apparent that Helen at least is in love with Liv, her reaction to Liv saying she loved Tania in keys of Baker Street really really stood out, there’s no way the writers haven’t done this intentionally which makes this even more frustrating. As with everything else I know they could still explore it in a future story. But I now also know that even if we have a story where Helen Confesses her love, it’s not the endgame and can never be… no matter what Liv’s story will always end with Her going back to Tania…. Which is in all honesty a little disappointing

[andredmybeloved]

For all those listening to Stranded 4 today, I will hold your hand if you need me to.

[might-be-a-zygon]