#sxf theory

[skippersxfamily]

Does Yuri also think that Yor was a sex worker?

Everyone else in Yor's life seems to believe she was. I'm sure Yuri would have taken any lie Yor told him about her work at face value, especially when he was a child who wouldn't understand. But he isn't stupid. And unlike with his suspicious about Yor's marriage, everyone else in his life also believes this. Yuri probably put the pieces together when he got older which only made him more overprotective.

This would recontextualize a lot of Yuri's actions. From his perspective, his sister was a victim of repeated child exploitation from unknown men. She purposefully didn't tell him and Yuri wasn't able to do anything. Now a strange unknown man has apparently been married to his sister and she didn't tell him? It probably felt like the same thing was happening all over again. But this time he could do something about it.

That's why he did a complete 180 from trying to find Yor a boyfriend to trying to have Loid executed. Why any suggestion of them being intimate sets him off more than anything else. And why he is so focused on eliminating scumbags from their country.

I think this was hinted at in Yuri's very first appearance. We have never seen him behave as violently as he did in his introduction scene. Yuri started off his interrogation with Mr. Hayward pretty calm and jovial. But when Mr. Hayward says that he was "spending money on ladies" and claiming that Yuri should know what that's like as a man, Yuri explodes. He starts sadistically torturing Hayward while screaming about protecting his family. To him, this man was as bad as the people who took advantage of his sister.

And it can't even be argued that it was the treason that set him off. He did not have the same reaction to the photographer, and Yuri even tried negotiating a quiet surrender with Twilight. He wasn't delighted to hurt Twilight or put the photographer in prison like with Hayward. Nor did he mention protecting his family. These guys were doing much more treason yet they didn't elicit the same personal response and sadistic rage.

[impossibleanimegirl]

[midnight-in-town]

Martha really said "no hating on another nice woman just because of a man we both love". If that’s not about educating little girls like Becky to fight against internalized misogyny, I don’t know what is.

A true icon. Bless Endo-sensei for giving her and Henderson such a compelling love story and emotional flashback.

[tare-anime]

You know, I've been thinking of this scene for quite some time now.

Why Twilight was so afraid of the possibility of Yor meeting Capt. Curtis at chp.134. 🤔🤔

Sure we laugh it off and think of it as "Twilight facing the consequences of his own action". But if we think of it further, and logically.... Yor meeting Capt. Curtis shouldn't be such a dire condition for Twilight at that time. 🤔🤔

Because:

1. If Yor does recognize Capt. Curtis, she won't blurt it right there right then, because she's afraid of SSS and she never like being the center of attention (especially in a party). I say, pointing at someone and 'accusing' one as SSS in the middle of the party would make you become the center of attention.

2. Accusing someone as SSS has dire consequences, just like Twilight himself has point it out at the next chapter (chp. 135)

3. Even if Yor did point it out that she has met Capt. Curtis and that he is an SSS, Yor and anyone at that party WILL NOT point at Loid Forger (who stand between them) and immediately knows/accuses that he was the Twilight who impersonating Capt. Curtis. It's even more impossible for anyone to suspect Loid as Twilight because everyone has grown fond of Loid Forger and even symphatize with him for having Yuri as brother-in-law.

So, the worst outcome of Yor blurting out that 'she has ever met Capt. Curtis before' at the party might be: (1) all of the SSS officers (and director) there would be aware that Twilight exist (which they already know), and (2) Twilight knows their faces (which they already know too, based on their experiences during the Mole Hunting arc).

So, back to the question: Why was Twilight so afraid that Yor remembering Capt. Curtis as SSS officer?

I guess...... It's because Twilight is afraid of Yor leaving him the arragement.

It's been shown from the very begining how (for some reason) Twilight was so afraid of Yor leaving him their arragement.

We've seen this fear happen first time before the butt disasterous date

And then again during chp.35

He even admit it out loud to Fiona, to justify his action of not killing Yuri during the Mole Hunting arc.

He was afraid for not knowing the reason Yor was angry at him, and that if he couldn't fix it, it might push her away

He was so relieved after, when Yor was not angry at him anymore, to the point that his exhausted body literally crumpled

He was so afraid of Yor leaving -- to the point when Yor asked a potential question.....

He was so shocked his mind run even faster, creating what ifs, reasons, etc etc etc....

And when Yor actually leave for her work during the Cruise arc..... in only 24 hours of separation he already missed her.

Ahem, yeah... anyway.... I think the real reason of Loid being so paranoid of Yor meeting Capt. Curtis is the possibility of Yor connecting the dots, and thus knowing that Yuri IS an SSS.

If Yor already knows about Yuri being the SSS, then she wouldn't need the cover marriage anymore, because Twilight believe that the SSS would never harm any of their member, so then Yor can stop being worry. If Yor has stopped being worry, then she will leave.

And if Yor left, all of Twilight's hardwork will go drown the drain.

At least, that what Twilight has been believing all this time.

He has yet to realize how he has grown fond of Yor and Anya. That these girls has become those dear to him.

With Anya, Twilight knows that Anya will always stick with him and in her age, Anya doesn't have the ability to leave.

But Yor is an adult. She can and has the power to leave if she wants to. Twilight has yet to realize that he has found something in Yor, something that he actually has been wanting for so long, that he doesn't want to loose her. Just like @flutefemme said right here

But he's getting there. Bit by bit.

We just have to be patient, and let Endo cook 🤭🤭🤭

[lottieforger]

Could this be the beginning of Anya's past arc?

[⚠️CONTAIN SPOILER⚠️]

SO EVERYONE THIS IS THE BIG BRAIN TIME!

After reading today's chapter I began thinking if this gonna be the beginning of Anya's past arc. What makes me think about Anya's past arc was the guests that already arrived (yet not listed) such as Mr. Surjay (the former hospital director) & Donovan Desmond.

Those two already arrived at the hospital, but Nightfall didn't know that they will attend the symposium based on her reaction.

She already have the guest list and still shocked that Mr. Surjay & Donovan arriving in the hospital.

Also, based on the beginning of this chapter, Nightfall & Twilight already discussed about attending the symposium as there will be a lot neurologist attending.

This reminds us with chapter 121-123 about the suspicion of Mr. Sigmund Authen, and with this convo I can understand that Endo going to focus on the connection between Sigmund-Donovan-Anya.

In the past chapter, during Loid & Anya visits at the Authens, Sigmund talked about the research group he was in during Prime Minister Donovan era. He already told Twilight (Loid) the group contain him, Mr. Surjay (former hospital director), Mr. Glooman (George's grandpa) and other scholars (not mentioned).

With that being followed by Sigmund getting a trigger of his past, mumbling and scribbling all of his thoughts that running in his head. Saying if Donovan know about Anya, if the "plan" still going on, scribbling Project Apple(?) <C> and doubting himself if Anya is the Subject#7.

SO, what I'm going to say with all these information we got from today's & past chapters is there's probability of the past researchers going to attend the symposium, and I assuming if that was true, they will talk about this Project Apple <C> OR might also talk about the other "project" they already planned. What I fear the most is if Sigmund already have no doubt about Anya being the subject#7 and give that information to Donovan & other scholars/researchers whose involved in Anya case.

If Donovan, Surjay, other scholars, and even Sigmund all attend symposium, isn't that will tell what was Anya originally planned for? Why was Anya being the subject#7? what was the story behind Anya power, her mom and her escape from the lab? if that was being the story that will be awesome.

SECONDLY, for me I'm being 50:50 to Anya meeting Donovan agenda. I'll be happy to know what was the first reaction of Anya & Donovan meeting each other, and with them meeting each other it will reveal if Donovan truly also have mind reading like Anya or not. BUT, I do not want them to meet only to Donovan immediately recognised Anya as subject#7. That would be very dangerous for Twiguy mission, and I can't imagine the ending if Endo choose to go this way of story.

I'm truly excited and gonna passionately wait how this story will go. I think Endo sensei is starting to focused for the Spy x Family story core, last arc we're being fed with twiyor having a progress as them being a (fake) couple. Now, Donovan suddenly appeared, after a long time without the Desmonds being around (usually he appears on Damian's focused story and Melinda's focused story).

What do you guys think about this all?

[crunchcrunchteacakes]

The Hidden Link Between Anya’s Powers and the Miteran Empire’s Lost Secrets

In Spy x Family Chapter 104, we are introduced to the ancient Miteran Empire and a mysterious giant flower called Gesshokuran ("Lunar Eclipse Orchid"). During this chapter, it's also said that society experienced a "treasure hunting boom," becoming obsessed with uncovering the "lost secrets of antiquity." I propose that the true "lost secret" wasn’t material wealth, but the Gesshokuran itself, a flower capable of granting supernatural powers.

The symbolism around the flower is crucial. Anya loses her telepathy during a lunar eclipse, which can’t be a coincidence. It strongly suggests that her powers are directly tied to the Gesshokuran. This flower may be the original source of supernatural abilities in the Spy x Family world. It’s worth noting that the Gesshokuran is a completely new species unique to this world, not something found in real life, a deliberate piece of worldbuilding that signals its importance.

In Chapter 115, the Shopkeeper’s ideology offers more clues. He shows strong loyalty to the ancient Miteran Empire and reveres elks as divine beings specifically Miteran elks, these animals were sacred to the empire. Garden’s deep respect for nature and their selective missions hint that Garden may have originally been the assassination arm of the Miteran Empire, tasked with protecting its secrets and sacred resources like the Gesshokuran (Garden protecting the Flower).

Building on this, it’s possible that Westalis and Ostania were once a single nation (the Miteran Empire) before wars and conflict split them apart. The remnants of the empire’s traditions, ideology, and possibly supernatural knowledge could have survived in hidden organizations like Garden.

Anya’s proficiency in classical language, many assume it’s because the laboratory that experimented on her spoke it. But what if those scientists used the classical tongue because they, too, were obsessed with the Miteran Empire’s lost knowledge? Their experiments could have been direct attempts to recreate or harness the ancient powers tied to the Gesshokuran.

This raises another possibility: Was Yor experimented on as well? Her extraordinary physical strength, far beyond normal human limits she might be another product of such experiments.

In conclusion, the Miteran Empire, the Lunar Eclipse Orchid, Garden’s agenda, the origins of Anya, and possibly Yor’s abilities are deeply connected. The ancient empire’s knowledge of the Gesshokuran may have shaped the secret history of Spy x Family, and could still be influencing its present.

[sophiamarieispinkbunny-chan]

Here are some SXF anime decisions that might matter. Or maybe I am just overthinking everything that the anime team do

I want to focus on Anya, because there is a lot to unpack when it comes to the anime and manga differences around her.

Anya’s nameplate

This one might not be huge, but it caught my attention. The anime changes the timeline for when Anya’s nameplate gets put on her bedroom door.

In the manga, a short chapter shows that the nameplate appears after Yor has already joined the Forger family. It is even implied that Yor carved it herself, since Anya could not write well yet and letting a six year old carve wood with something sharp would not be a great idea.

And Loid corrects her right away when he notices the misspelling. The manga does not show how long it takes them to replace the nameplate, but it is clear it did not take long.

In the anime, though, Anya’s nameplate is already on her door in Episode 3, when Yor is only just being welcomed into the family.

So it definitely was not Yor who carved it. The anime version isn’t even wood. It looks like metal or some other material. Which raises the question: who made it?

My first guess would be Anya, since that is how she thought her name was spelled. But the plate looks too clean and polished. It feels like an adult made it. If it were Loid, though, he already knew her name was spelled ANYA because that is what the records from Franky said. So it should not have been him. And if he ordered a custom plate from someone else, it would still be strange for it to come out as ANIA instead of ANYA.

So I am not sure if this was an honest mistake in the anime that they might fix when they adapt the short chapter, assuming they ever do. But if it was intentional, then there has to be some kind of reason behind it.

What makes it even more odd is that in the anime the nameplate stays on her door for a while, even after she becomes an Eden student. If it were misspelled, Loid would have noticed and replaced it right away, knowing how meticulous he is.

If anyone has thoughts about this, I would love to hear them. This difference has been stuck in my mind since the moment I caught it.

2.Anya's spelling

We all know spelling is not Anya’s strong suit. But I noticed a small difference between the anime and the manga in this specific moment.

"That’s spelled with an A, not E."

That is what Loid says in the manga. But in the anime, his line is reversed. I am pretty sure he is still talking about spelling in the anime too, since the Netflix subtitles point in that direction. And it would be odd for a multiple choice test to go all the way up to the letter E. So I think the Muse Asia English subtitles might be a bit off. Anyone who speaks Japanese, feel free to confirm.

In the anime, the line becomes:

"It’s not A, but E."

The line is reversed in the anime, and the way Loid says he has taught her this many times suggests that Anya struggles to tell those two letters apart. A and E. She might mix them up more than any other pair.

Why does that matter? Because her name has two As!

What if it was not even ANIA? What if it was ENIA, ENIE, or ANIE?

That idea pushed me to rewatch Episode 1, especially the scene with the scientist, just to hear how they pronounce her name. And of course they say “Anya.” I almost dropped the theory, until I remembered Anya’s habit of hearing things wrong. Like when she misheard Yuri calling her something that turned into “swole chihuahua,” or how she keeps saying odekeke instead of odekake. She swaps A and E a lot.

The scene with the scientist calling her name is shown from her perspective, and she was younger then. What if she misheard her own name?

If her name was misheard, it would help explain why the scientists have never found her. They are not looking for an Anya. Sigmund does not call her Anya either. When he recognizes her in the recent chapter, he calls her 007.

And if it really was ENIA instead of ANIA, maybe it was not an Ostanian name at all. Maybe it came from Covenia. Authen worked as a scientist there. Anya could have been Covenia Test Subject 007, called something like ENIA 007.

Now imagine if she really was nameless, like Bond, and Loid ended up giving her a name without knowing it, the same way a parent names their child. The angst potential is unreal.

Anyway, let me know what you think.

[for-the-mission]

So what's everyone's theory on Donovan now that it's confirmed he doesn't read minds?

I have a few theories but the main one is that Donovan can read memories, not minds. So Anya reads the present, Bond the future, and Donovan the past. A "Roshambo of Crows".

The second theory (that isn't mutually exclusive to the other) is that Chapman and Donovan literally swapped brains. That is why Desmond had a sudden personality change in the past and possibly why Anya read his mind first when she searched for someone like sy-on boy idk.

So why is he so in debt to Chapman?

I think since Chapman started the war, it allowed for things like project apple to take place. I also think the former hospital director had ties to project apple, but maybe not.

The other theory is that he literally owes him his life, if they had swapped minds/bodies. The disturbing way he says it really sells this one for me lol.

So whose mind is Anya reading here?

Two theories:

It's Chapman's, and I think maybe it itches from having his memory read, mind read, or from a past experiment.

Or

It's actually the REAL Donovan and him and Chapman swapped brains 😬

This part works with either theory, both Donovan or Chapman's brain would think these imo.

Sorry this rambles a bit just super interesting stuff!!!