#syscourse subsection

[fagsystem]

Personally we block anti-endos far more often for racism, ableism, and misinformation. The amount of anti-endos who have blatantly said that other culture's spiritual beliefs are made-up bullshit, that think psychiatrists are infallible gods and that psychiatric abuse isn't a big deal, and spread misinformation about how DID forms so that they can gatekeep people is wild

pretty sure this falls under *checks notes* being a dick. which i said i block 8/10 anti endos i see for being.

whats your point here?

well

i think i know what your point is

if i just said that i blocked 8/10 anti endos i see for being a dick, you would agree with that

but when i said i also block 8/10 pro endos i see for ableism, racism, and misinfo, you now dont agree with my previous statement. not because we disagree on many anti endos sucking, but because you think pro endos... are better.

which, well, id ask you take a look at this big long post i made about in group and out group mentality. its based on the stuff i was learning in my psych class.

a quote that sums up what i think about this whole thing youve said here is 'if you engage with pro-endogenics you will see the worst of anti-endogenics, and if you engage with anti-endogenics you will see the worst of pro-endogenics.'

i think everyone sucks because i exist outside of this in group and out group mentality. i engage with people, not labels, i dont care whether someone calls themselves whatever stance provided they arent bitter horrible people. which means, i engage with pro endos and therefore see the worst of anti endos. and i engage with anti endos and therefore see the worst of pro endos

the difference between the 8/10 pro endos i block versus the 8/10 anti endos is the flavour of sucking they tend to do. the common thread here? all of these people are heavily involved in discourse, and that generally makes someone pretty unpleasant.

discourse, in group out group mentalities, and group conformity turns people into fucking horrible people. sure, not all of us, but every single person who is so strongly attached to a discourse position that anyone outside of it is horrible and anyone inside of it isnt are the exact sort of 8/10 i block

just

look

i cooked my dad dinner, ate it with him tonight. he told me how he went to a japanese restaurant last night and wants to try some japanese cooking. we made plans to cook together

after he showed me this tech project he did. he was coding some different speeds for fans for my mom's biltong making. it was his first time using the program c, and he showed me the whole process.

he showed me how he was able to convert some ratios in three lines. i found out that the program he used before, assembler i think, was only able to divide and times by two. we had a laugh as my brain broke, trying to figure out how someone would even begin to tackle that problem

after he was done there and he gave a demo of everything he had explained in practice, i went to my nan's attached granny flat. i asked if she wanted to watch 10 more minutes of that sam i am movie she wanted to watch with me. we decided we're going to take it in chunks

i got us some wine and some cheese and crackers and we ended up watching for about half an hour before i had to tap out. i do think its a beautiful movie-- i just get a lot of second hand embarrassment when watching it and its kind of painful. but i love my nan and i love watching it with her

ive gotten into cooking a lot recently. not been able to do it as much as id like, ive been sick, but ive been falling in love with it. i want to start growing my own veggies soon

tomorrow, my brother's disability support worker is coming for the first shift. hes a chef and i asked my mom if he could ever do a shift with me to teach me how to cook. she said not yet when i brought it up first, because she doesnt want my brother to feel like im taking his support worker from him.

and earlier he was freaking out because he has a five hour shift tomorrow with this guy. he doesnt think he can handle being around someone for five hours. so i suggested that the support worker could teach me how to cook if james doesnt want to do something with him

and my brother calmed down immediately, it was a huge weight off my back, and im so so excited for tomorrow.

why the ramble?

because we all live

every single person around you is also just living a life as vivid and complex as your own. even the people i block because i think theyre stupid and they rub me the wrong way.

and i think people are worthy of compassion and respect and care regardless of what judgements you make about them

its not that people cant be bad or you have to have them in your life or that its wrong to debate or argue or vent about what they do. its just

i dont know

i find it kinda ridiculous youre in here defending pro endos by saying you generally see anti endos who are worse. of course you do, youre pro endo, youre surrounded by many pro endos because thats your community. you see a lot more of them than i do, i only really see the assholes that get 5 minutes of fame in syscourse. same with anti endos. theres probably a lot, lot more pro/anti endos that did not make it into my 8/10 statistic because i dont even know theyre pro or anti endo, because it doesnt come up and theyre not insufferable people

i just

i just find syscourse so ridiculous now

[fagsystem]

syscourse is to the point were if someones pro endo 8 timss out of 10 they're blocked for racism or ableism or misinfo and if someones anti endo 8 times out of 10 theyre blocked for being a dick

i see many posts like 'looking at syscourse rn... thats fucked...' and like. i saw nothing bad at all! because i blocked them already!

this is both a reminder to block liberally to take care of yourselves, and also a omfg EVERYONE SUCKS

[fagsystem]

yk when I took a philosophy and reasoning class in high school and the teacher said, "you're philosophers now, congrats! you will feel that difference between yourself and others for the rest of your life!" i really, really didnt believe that. its a high school class, how different could it make me?

syscourse has made me believe it

for the love of fuck please learn what philosophy is. in fact, if we treated this all like a fucking philosophical debate, then we'd be a lot better of than treating it like a psychological one! cdds and misinfo are like the only part of syscourse that's got really anything to do with psychology at all, everything else is just philosophy.

and one great thing about philosophy?

you gotta have logic and reasoning! its literally an inseperable part of philosophy! learn what a standard form argument is jesus christ!

[fagsystem]

As underresearched as DID is, the most researched part of it is the fact that it is caused by trauma. There have been countless studies attempting to prove it is not caused by trauma (and therefore is not real). If DID was not caused by trauma, we would know.

[fagsystem]

I am removing the phrase, 'DID is underresearched,' from everyone's vocabulary unless they have an actual understanding of what research has been done in regards to DID. What you are actually looking for is, 'I am uneducated about research into DID/OSDD. All I know is that people have called it underresearched. Therefore my completely uneducated opinion about it could be true because it could be something that's underresearched about it. Not that I would know, as I am entirely uneducated about what research there is with DID.'

[fagsystem]

If you want someone to respect your DNI, do not make it a scavenger hunt to locate it.

I see this so often in syscourse. Syscourse as a tag that has pro-endogenics, anti-endogenics, and everyone else. There are all sorts of different sides in here, and we all co-exist here. When you post in the syscourse tag, you are creating a post for everyone here.

What you will find is that the syscourse community has a lot of etiquette in it. Respecting DNIs is a part of it. Those who do not are very quickly told off and blocked. (Same goes with posting in the main tags. Keep syscourse to the syscourse tag, people can find your syscourse if they want to.)

The thing is, people cannot respect your DNI if they do not know it exists. Putting it in the tags is bad enough. Not everyone checks those and it is very easy to miss, especially if it is surrounded by a bunch of other tags. Having it just somewhere on your blog and not referenced at all in the post you made in the syscourse tag? You seriously cannot expect people to search to see if you have a DNI they would be breaking prior to engaging with you. Not when you are posting in the syscourse tag, a tag for the community you are asking to DNI.

DNIs are for your own benefit. If you want to not have these people interact with you, make it clear to them that that is the case. I will show an example of how to right here at the bottom of the post.

(Also, friendly reminder that anything you put in the tags appears when someone searches for those words. Syscourse DNI appears when syscourse is searched for, anti-endos DNI appears when someone searches for anti-endos, pro-endos DNI appears when someone searches for pro-endos. Please do yourself a favour and do not tag your posts in a way that shows it to the people you want to avoid.)

DNI if you think penguins should have won the 2023 Minecraft mob vote. (Joke, for the record.)

[fagsystem]

One interesting thing we have been learning in my psychology class is Tajfel's experiments related to intergroup discrimination.

It honestly reminds me a lot of syscourse.

The summary is that the participants (boys aged 14-15) were split into groups, and very quickly there was a lot of out-group discrimination. For example, the boys could decide whether they would award money to benefit only their own group, or everyone in the study. They chose not to allocate money in a way that maximised total profit, instead the majority chose to allocate money only for the good of their own group.

They were more concerned about creating as much difference as possible between the amounts allocated to themselves and the other group than getting a greater amount of money for everyone.

This reminds me a lot of the ingroup outgroup mentalities I have seen and experienced in syscourse.

When I first joined syscourse, I was overwhelmed by divide between pro-endogenic and anti-endogenics. I felt as though I had to pick one. I quickly became anti-endogenic, despite not really caring before, and also very quickly became quite hostile towards pro-endogenics. It was less so even about endogenics, more so about pro-endogenics.

Which you see a lot in syscourse. People will use pro-endogenic when they really should mean endogenic, because they are opperating under an in-group (anti-endogenics) versus outgroup (pro-endogenics) mentality.

You also see this whenever someone on one side does something poor, in the reaction it receives from their group versus the other group. If an anti-endogenic said something horrible, generally I see pro-endogenics responding to it by saying, 'Anti-endogenics believe XYZ.' Generally, I see anti-endogenics addressing it by addressing the specific person/bad thing, and denouncing that thing. And vice versa.

@sysmedsaresexist just made a post where they said if you engage with pro-endogenics you will see the worst of anti-endogenics, and if you engage with anti-endogenics you will see the worst of pro-endogenics. Which is entirely true.

With this intergroup fighting, people are always searching for the worst of the other side and dragging it around as proof that the other side is horrible. That their own side is better. And, if you consider yourself in either group, subconsciously you are likely doing the same. Not to mention, I feel as though people are subconsciously justifying horrible behaviour because it is happening to the other group.

Very little has changed in how I engage in syscourse and who I engage in it with since I stopped considering myself anti-endogenic. I am still seeing much of the same sort of content as I ever have before. If anything, I am seeing far less anti-endogenic content as I end up blocking a lot of anti-endogenics now. But whenever I see anti-endogenics being mean, it properly bothers me now.

Before, it would feel cathartic. 'I also dislike the other group, the other group has done all these bad things, it feels good to see someone else who is angry.:

Now, it just feels mean. It feels as though so much of it is just people being angry over ableist rhetoric they have seen in the pro-endogenic community, and in their angry they are lashing out at people and their existences. It feels as though so much of it is just people wanting to hurt the other group and using shallow excuses of 'but pro-endogenics are bad because-' to justify it.

Honestly, almost all of syscourse feels as though it is just people wanting to hurt the other group and using shallow excuses of 'but the other group is bad because-' to justify it.

We are all just people. I suppose ingroup outgroup mentalities is just as people do. But I hope if you have read this far you can recognise that people outside of your group are also people. Extend the same care, compassion, and respect to them as you would someone in your own group. Including those in the other group that cause harm, are you treating them more harshly than those in your own group who do the same?

Be nice to each other please.

[fagsystem]

"did formed to help me survive" and "did is a disorder" and "did helps me live my life" and "did disables me" all are true statements that can and do coexist at the same time!