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total drama island THEORY 🤯: trent is cgi

[thebearme]

TD REBOOT EP: 5-6 SPOILERS

first may I just say I LOVE Bowie's elimination! He left in pride, an intact character AND kept his relationship (something that not all tdi contestants can say they had) BUT IT THEORY TIME!

So what if next episode Raj takes what Bowie said to heart and is REALLY trying to win after this. We ready know that MK and Juila won't stop cheating if they can (mostly Juila, MK had enough of a beating to stop) And they're still in the game. Know TD they would want them to get their comeuppance and currently everyone but Raj and Wayne think Bowie started the idea.

Also remember when the hockey bros were booted but we still saw/heard of things of Raj so we can get more Rajbow. That gives me a feeling that Raj wouldn't simply give up or move on from something that happened last episode; so he's definitely going to take Bowie's boot personally. Mostly like motivation.

So I can see the next episode Raj is sulking around because of Bowie's elimination, Wayne is trying to get his buddy hopes back up while Juila and MK take this as prime time to spit those two. The hockey bros see what they're trying to do and Raj being the strategist thinks of a counterattack. Especially Raj won't forget what they did and I think this is when we'll see more of Raj's mean side like we saw in the bros introduction first season.

[emsee22]

Still 4x12 Tempus Fugit

This time I got my boyfriend to rewatch the Bethylsodes with me. He brought up how it seems totally unnecessary for Daryl to stand the grandfather clock up straight, as it wasn't even in the way. Well, specifically he said he should have just left it there so that the clock didn't chime and the walkers didn't come. I said they do that to draw attention onto the clock, where the time is 2:52pm and Tempus Fugit means time flies, because it has some kind of significance that I am not exactly certain of. But then the whole sequence became clear to me. The clock was at 2:52pm. In this time, Daryl and Beth are in the shop. She steps into the mannequin arm that foreshadows her the way she falls when she is shot. Then she changes clothes into the yellow shirt and the white cardigan. She tries to take down the Rich Bitch body, asks Daryl for help, and he says "It doen't matter, she's dead." Beth says, "it does matter" so Daryl covers her up with a sheet to help Beth (doesn't take the body down, just conceals it).

Then the clock strikes. It was 8 minutes till 3pm when the clock was shone. Eight minutes till the clock strikes 3. This is important for 2 reasons. Firstly, we keep seeing 8s around Beth. Secondly, 3 is the Christian resurrection number. A whole bunch of walkers come to their location. Beth and Daryl run from oncoming walkers, but Daryl stops running and fights them off. As he is clubbing the walker in the green sweater to death, there is a playing card shown twice by the walker's head. It is a 4 of clubs/4 of clover. I have seen conflicting meanings of the card itself in cartomacy, but I perceive it as the 4 leaf clover, since a club is a stylized clover. In killing the walker, Daryl smacks the blood onto Beth's new, white cardigan (I think it is a metaphor for the luck symbolized by the 4 clover being given to her), so she removes it and crosses into the next room. As she enters the next room, the painting of the blue heron/Bennu (Egyptian resurrection bird) is behind her. So I think this whole sequence symbolizes Beth's death, the fact that her body was only concealed and not laid to rest, but that she actually was lucky and survived, but her old self will be shed and she will be transformed. Side note: I think the focus on the walker couple behind the bar holding each other is just more romantic imagery alluding to Beth and Daryl's developing feelings.

[twdmusicboxmystery]

Orpheus and Eurydice are Daryl and Beth

@bookqueenrules:

So, I watched episode 2 again with an eye towards any symbolism that may not have been explored by other posts. I actually liked it much better the second time. 

One of the first things that jumped out at was Isabelle’s flashback scene in the subway.  Behind her was a HUGE red advertisement for “Orphe”; it must have been a play based on the 2010-2011 dates on the ad.  They show it several times, but this was the only picture I could find.

SO, “Orphe” is French for Orpheus from Greek Mythology.  Orpheus played the lyre and was known to have superhuman musical abilities.  Where it gets interesting is the story of he and his wife, Eurydice.  Just after their wedding, she is bitten on the ankle by a poisonous snake and “dies” in Greek mythology this means she is taken to Hades (the underworld). Orpheus is in such grief he plays for Charon, who takes people from the river Styx to the underworld, and Charon agrees to take him to find Eurydice in Hades.  Orpheus is able to convince the rulers of Hades, Hades and Persephone, to let Eurydice come back home with him.  They give him only one condition.  She will go up to the surface behind him and Orpheus must not turn and look at her, or she will be taken back to Hades and kept there. Just as Orpheus sees the light of the sun and knows they are close to being home, he turns to make sure she is still with him.

Of course, she is taken from him back into the Underworld. Orpheus is beyond devastated. He lives in the woods for years playing for the animals.  He does not turn to other women even though many approach him.  Eventually, he is killed by the women he has refused. He is then reunited with love, Eurydice.

 I see that as SO symbolic. Eurydice’s ankle injury mirrors Beth’s foot caught in the trap.  I believe that “trap” was put there by the Grady people(the snakes).  They take Eurydice(Beth) to Grady(Hades) and keep her there.  Daryl(Orpheus) convinces people(Rick, Carol, Noah and company) to help him on his quest to get Beth(Eurydice) back.  It looks like it is going to work.  They are walking away from Grady(Hades), but this time Beth(Eurydice) turns back and is taken back to Hades. Daryl(Orephus) wanders in the forest for years.  

Obviously, I don’t believe they will be reunited in “death”, but maybe in some other Hades like Underworld.  It’s like TPTB are flashing a neon sign telling us THIS is the story.

Also, the episode of Mork and Mindy?  It’s from season 4.  It is the LAST episode, and it is ALL about how to have a happy marriage.  Mork gives his superior on Ork, his home planet, these four things in his report: honesty, respect, romance, and compatibility as being the ingredients to a successful marriage. 

Thoughts?

@twdmusicboxmystery​:

I love this! I have heard other people talk about Orpheus and Euridice’s parallels in the past, but I’m not terribly familiar with the story myself. So, I tend to read, consider, and forget.

But the way you’ve laid it out here is very compelling. It seems an exact parallel for what happened, and for him losing her again. When you talked about Orpheus, after losing her the second time, hanging out in the woods and playing for the animals, being approached by other women, it reminded me of nothing so much as Find Me, and Leah. 

I even wonder if not showing Beth’s face after the shot, and not saying her name for so long, was the writers’ way of paralleling Orpheus not being able to turn around and look at Eurydice. 

As for how they’ll be reunited, I think it will all be a symbolic underworld, as you said. Even Daryl being hurt and waking up in the convent was kind of a foreshadow of that. Something will happen where he will almost die, or it will appear he’s dead, but when he awakens, he’ll be reunited with Beth. 

And if they’re inside the CRM or something like it, it wouldn’t be a stretch to call an environment like that a dark underworld. 

Very interesting! I love it! 

[twdmusicboxmystery]

The Dialogue That Sent A Ship Reeling And What It Might Mean for the Overall Story Arc

***Possible spoilers for future episodes****

@bookqueenrules:

So, I read a ton of reviews of season 1 before episode 1 aired. Many of the reviews were from “Carlyers”. I am always interested in seeing their perspective.  

They all seemed to agree on a few things.

First and foremost, they HATED Daryl’s response to Laurent in this exchange from episode 1:

 L: “Do you have children, a wife, parents?”

D: “No, nothing like that.”

I believe this exchange at the beginning of the episode speaks VOLUMES about Daryl’s “happy ending”.  We see him think of Judith and Carol, the people he is closest to at home, as he is regaining consciousness.  However, soon after that he does not acknowledge Judith as “his child” nor does he acknowledge Carol as a type of “wife” or “life partner”. 

This tells us that in Daryl and the writer’s minds Daryl has never been a father nor husband/life partner to anyone, yet. 

Being able to be a good husband and father after the abuse and trauma Daryl has experienced, I believe, will be his happy ending. 

Another thing they seem to hate is that by the end of the series, Daryl is torn as to whether he should stay with Laurent and Isabelle or keep trying to go home.  I assume that happens in episode 6 because a DEVOTED Carlyer said that was the hardest episode for her to watch.  Daryl being torn is more understandable when you see the parallels in Daryl’s mind: Isabelle is a platonic friend he becomes close to(Carol), and Laurent is a child that is not his, but that he feels responsible for because the parents are not around (Judith). Now, of course, we all know he will and should choose TF, but just the fact that he is torn should let the viewer know that Daryl still feels he is missing “something”.  Back to that in a minute.  I think it’s helpful to look at all of Daryl’s close relationships during the flagship to see why Daryl is still looking for “something”. That “something” is to belong to someone.

Merle- Daryl did at one time “belong” to Merle. It was just the two of them.  Neither had other close family nor significant romantic partners or friends.  It was a dysfunctional type of belonging, but a “belonging” none the less.  Daryl believed he belonged with Merle.  In season 3, Daryl was torn between his new family(TF) and Merle. He did leave with Merle, but would have returned to TF even if he hadn’t convinced Merle to go back to the prison with him. So, he chose TF over Merle in the end. 

Beth- Beth is the ONLY character that Daryl asks to settle down with him.  HE asks HER to stay at the funeral home and try to make a life.  He gives up looking for Rick, Carol, and the rest of TF. He feels he now BELONGS to Beth. This is an example of functional “belonging” because she restores his faith in himself and in the possibility of good in the world.  This is further emphasized in the “Buttons” episode where Daryl and Aaron are trying to save Buttons the horse.  Oh! Buttons the horse, Daryl’s highlighted button in the promo pictures, and the button on Beth’s necklace… Sorry, I just made that connection as I type!  Major symbolism there. I digress. In that episode, Daryl says of Buttons, “He once belonged to someone, but now he just belongs to himself.”  The implication being that the statement is true of both the horse and Daryl. 

Rick- Rick becomes the better brother Merle never was. However, he can never really belong to Rick in the same way he did Merle because Rick has a family of his own and didn’t live through the same childhood trauma Merle and Daryl did. 

Leah- Daryl is torn between belonging with her, TF, and searching for Rick.  He leaves even though she has issued an ultimatum. It’s only after she is “gone” that he says he belongs with her. I believe that indicates that Daryl really does want to belong to someone, but Leah is not the right one.  He knew it when he walked out on her.

Carol has belonged to Zeke for a long time now. Even when they drifted apart, they drifted back together.  Before him, Carol belonged to herself drifting in and out of storylines fighting her need NOT to belong to anyone. She initiated romantic connections while Daryl was free and clear to form that kind of attachment with if she chose. Zeke is the one that showed Carol she could have her “happy ending” family after the dysfunction she experienced with Ed and Sophia. Though Henry didn’t live, Carol still had six years of a “happy ending”. 

After telling Judith he wouldn’t leave her, why does Daryl leave to explore? There were many others in Alexandria and Hilltop who could have gone.  So, Daryl must have WANTED to go. Judith seems to be OK with it because she connects it to his “happy ending”. Carlyers are interpreting Daryl’s call to the Commonwealth, presumably to Carol, about coming home in a week, as Daryl realizing his “mistake” and wanting to come home to his “happy ending” being Carol and Judith. If that were the case, he would have responded differently to Laurent’s question. 

The Carlyers all LOVED the last minute of the season(We can all guess that is when Carol shows)

They also agree that some of the themes are fatherhood, purpose, and belonging. Curiously, they don’t see the “happy ending” as a theme for the most part. It’s been pretty obvious, but few of them comment on it. I am assuming that episode 5 will be heavily related to the theme of fatherhood based on some vaguely worded reviews. 

  I wanted to mention a couple of other things that I don’t believe you discussed in the video. Forgive me if I just missed them.

Isabelle’s comment in the bath about scars showing you have healed.  I believe that is heavy foreshadowing for Daryl healing his scars from childhood.

Also, I don’t believe you mentioned the radio in the “map room”. Would that be another Sirius/radio connection? I thought it was interesting that Isabelle is caught in a lie about the radio. It is clear that Isabelle is willing to lie and manipulate to get what she wants.  She reminds me of Carol in that way.  She feels the ends justify the means for the greater good. She also reminds me of Carol in the sense that Daryl, Carol, and Isabelle are all characters who were “broken before the world ended”.  It was after the world ended that Beth broke for a moment, but all of these characters have proven they are survivors. It will be interesting to see that play out if/when they all meet. 

@twdmusicboxmystery​:

Love, love, LOVE everything you said here! And totally agree! It’s fun to know what the Carylers are saying.

Honestly, I hadn’t thought much about Daryl’s reply about not having a wife and kids. And great call about the foreshadowing there. It’s clear that he’ll have them eventually, and we all know it won’t be with Carol. 

Honestly, I think the reason he’ll be so torn will be Laurent, rather than Isabelle. I was thinking as I read what you wrote is that part of the reason he was willing to leave Judith was 

1) she doesn’t truly need him anymore. She’s okay with him going, which means she a happy, healthy, well-adjusted kid. He still loves and wants to be with her, but if someone else is depending on him as a lifeline physically or emotionally, well, he’s going to stay for as long as they need him. And Judith is such a badass all by herself, that she doesn’t necessarily. 

2) It’s also true that he doesn’t see her as truly “his” and if there’s any chance her real dad (Rick, although biologically that’s a can of worms, lol) is still out there, he wants to bring Rick home to her. So, once again, it’s Daryl doing something for someone else, rather than himself. Which is why Judith says the thing about the happy ending to begin with. She recognizes that he deserves to think about his own happiness every once in awhile, rather than everyone else’s. 

Anyway, I’m actually excited to see the part where he’s torn about staying or going. It plays into Daryl’s changing his mind/what changed your mind theme, which started with Beth and has been constantly in play since S4. 

Isabelle reminds me a lot of Leah. Not in her personality or toxicity, of course. But in the sense that she’s an interesting blend of Carol and Beth. I already like her relationship with Daryl and I can see them becoming close friends. People say Clemence Posey’s performance here is really amazing. Up there with Norman’s. So I’m excited to see more of both of them.

Thanks so much for the post! Absolutely love it! 

Oh, and yes, the radio is a Sirius symbol. Because Sirius Radio XM. It’s also part of the Communication Theme. 

Thanks Dear! 

[twdmusicboxmystery]

Why I am Predicting a Beth Appearance by the End Episode 3:

@bookqueenrules:

OFC, this is TOTAL speculation based on TWDU and non-TWDU clues.  I am NOT saying that Daryl will necessarily see/know that she is alive by the end of ep. 3(or in a post credits scene), but I believe it will be revealed to the audience by then that she, or someone who looks like her, is alive. 

I’ve seen symbolic clues in “Diverged” in Season 10 and Dead City. 

DD was in the writing/development stage FAR longer than Dead City. So, Dead City writers already had access to the outlines for DD before production began. So, when Maggie showed a family picture with a person we can infer to be Beth having eyes gouged out in the shape of the surprised emoji, that was a major red flag for me.  That happened in episode THREE of Dead City.

 In Diverged, a wholly symbolic episode, Daryl takes off on his own and his motorcycle breaks down. It is in the THIRD place he looks, that he finds the knife, symbolically representing a love interest. he needs to fix his bike and continue his journey. 

Some of my belief is based on storyline conjecture. So, back to Dead City.  It was considered a success by most, but why did it do well?

Some wanted to see NYC zombies. Some wanted to see Maggie and Hershel. I would argue MOST wanted to see the development of the Negan/Maggie dynamic. How many would have watched just Maggie trying to get Herschel back?  Some, but it would not have had the same viewership, and the TWD fans actually care about Hershel as Maggie and Glenn’s son. 

So, why will people watch DD?

Some are looking forward to variant zombies, some want to see Daryl, but for how long will the average American TWD viewer tune in to see Daryl hanging out with new French characters with accents and subtitles to boot?  

Personally, I would enjoy it regardless, but I know many people that hate subtitles and won’t be particularly interested in how things went in France.  Sure, the scenery is beautiful, but it won’t hold the interest past a couple of episodes. The “cure” premise was JUST seen in The Last of Us.   TPTB should also have learned that the decline of the flagship was largely due to killing off “family” characters we cared about and bringing on lots of new characters that never became as important to the audience as the original characters of the first few seasons. Hopefully, TPTB learned this lesson. 

While I DO expect to see a Carol flashback in season 1, the show will need to bring something to the French story that will excite and surprise viewers. If MMB would have decided to be in season 1, it may have been a different story. The Daryl/Carol dynamic would have been there, and I would be predicting your typical “cliffhanger” style reveal towards the end of the first season.

That is why I think there will need to be SOME reconnection between Beth/Daryl in season 1 for the audience to care enough to tune in to Carol/Daryl finding her in season 2. I wouldn’t expect them to connect until late episode 4 or episode 5, but they will have to be separated again by the end of 6.  They will need that time to tell their story and have the audience care again about their connection. Nicotera said in a recent interview that the DD spin-off talk began 7 years ago.  It was supposed to be set in the American West where Daryl encounters different groups each week.  He referenced three OLD shows as examples.

 One was Kung Fu with David Caradine. 

I could go into detail, but each show he referenced is about a man who is searching for something/someone and encounters different people who they change and are changed by them before moving onto the next place on the search.  Yes, I had to research each one.  They were before my time!  This stretched out search for Beth would have made sense then because the audience still remembered her and their connection vividly. That will not work now. It’s been too long and these series are finite. Gimple, sort of, said as much on the red carpet at the finale of the flagship. He said he was already past the spin-offs in his planning and was now thinking about how to develop the next generation and new stories while integrating the “iconic” characters. So, I don’t think these spin-offs will go much past three seasons. Especially with only six episodes per season, it doesn’t give that much time to develop these stories. 

Some non-storyline clues are that the release of EK’s album is on the 22nd of September right before episode 3 airs.  She has been releasing singles all summer.  Why wait for the album release until then?  Norman said in interviews last year that he would, “run into some familiar faces” in the spin-off.  Who else is going to run into in season 1 in France?

Just a few days ago there has been even MORE weirdness. An extra-long first episode?  All of episodes 1 and 2 being screened in theaters in four major cities on Monday?  WHY? I almost wonder if they decided to reveal Beth is alive at the end of episode 2. The ONLY reason to prescreen is to increase buzz, but really what hasn’t already been teased about those first two episodes? I understand that they may need more publicity due to the writer/actor strikes leading up to the release, but why would “spoiling” the first episodes really increase the buzz if it is JUST about the Laurent story?

I’m excited to see how it plays out!

@twdmusicboxmystery​:

I absolutely LOVE everything you’ve said here. Love the symbolic clues you’re looking at. Love your points about Dead City. Love your research into early iterations of the DD spinoff. (I kinda wonder if all the New Mexico symbolism from 11x01 was a nod to that.) Love all your points about publicity and such.

And you’re right. I heartily agree. I don’t have much to add, but all of your conclusions are the only thing that make sense. The only other “faces” we could run into are people like Heath and Davon. And don’t get me wrong, it would be fun to see them again. But it’s not like any of those characters will do much to further Daryl’s story.

And let’s not forget that ep 1 starts with an echo of Judith’s line about Daryl deserving a happy ending, too. Which means that one way or the other, he’ll find his true love and soulmate in this spinoff.

Can’t wait! Thanks SO much for your thoughts! Xoxo!  🍁 🍂 😍

[twdmusicboxmystery]

Back to How Rest In Peace Ended

@wdway

With all our talk last week about the possibilities of Maggie, or Daryl and Maggie going back to the farm just brought back that naggingness (totally a word) I had about how RIP ended. I have harped on the one year jump a million times, so I went back and rewatched that part, yet again.

I was also inspired with how we had talked about the short DD's spinoff preview of him coming out of the ocean and then the longer preview of him getting off a boat, how these previews are not necessarily in sequence.

We don't know what episode we'll see these scenes, especially the long preview. We played around with several scenarios of Daryl leaving at the end of RIP. Daryl getting kidnapped and ending up in Paris or if he left, went somewhere else, then came back to the Commonwealth. This was all on my mind as I watched.

My newest speculation is that what we see is not in the right sequence. I'm going to lay it out in a new order. As always we won't know until we know. I will pick up right after the scene of Rosita's death.

Carol: it's a beautiful day to head out. Daryl: yeah. I wish you were coming with me. Carol: I know. But this is gonna be good for you, for me. Daryl: I'm proud of you. No, I am. You took Hornsby's job and you made it your own. Made everything better. For you, for the kids. You'll keep making it better. Carol: You will, too. Daryl: it's not like we're never going to see each other again. Carol: I'm allowed to be a little sad. You are my best friend. Daryl: Come here. (Hugs Carol)

I hope you can make heads or tails as far as the sequence goes. After Rosita's death I think it would actually pick up with Maggie sending for Daryl, Carol, Lydia and Elijah. Maggie speaks to Daryl about finding out what's out there. She's giving him a mission.

I think she gives Lydia and Elijah the mission of letter carriers between the known communities. Something that they have not had before. They’re at the original Hilltop, we know by the water tower. I think she might have told of her own plans of starting another Hilltop, this time going further north. I think Carol has made the decision to stay in the Commonwealth for several reasons, one of them being Ezekiel, also because knowing that that's the only way Daryl would go on his mission.

She also understands that he would never leave the kids unless it was with someone that he totally trusted. She'll watch over the kids. Apparently, no one remembers Carol's history with watching kids, only kidding. Kind of.

You're probably wondering why I put it in this order. The Maggie mission part probably makes sense. The reason I grouped the Maggie scene, Daryl and Carol by the pond, the goodbyes with the kids all tied together because of what Carol is wearing. She has on a long black or very dark coat.

They don't give us very many shots of the others while Maggie is making her pitch to Daryl but when they do walk up you can see that Lydia and Elijah are wearing different clothes, tptb are very sneaky with the subtle changes in the clothes.

Judith's jacket is kind of a brownish red color, and the difference is that the jacket she has on in the Hilltop scene and where she is saying goodbye to Daryl has no hood, whereas her jacket at Commonwealth and at Alexandria has a hood.

Plus, Lydia and Elijah have their mail bags going into Alexandria where Lydia gives FG the package. No bags at Hilltop. The clothes change that really caught my attention was the very well-tailored, very light-colored jacket that Carol has on at Alexandria and then has the long black coat at Hilltop. It was a noticeable contrast between the two.

My speculation is that Daryl heads westward because that's the direction Georgie was headed, and Daryl had talked about New Mexico in s10. He could go southwest through the Carolinas and Georgia. All kinds of routes we could speculate about. At some place (Grady) he finds something that makes him believe that Beth did not die at Grady, she did not turn. That there were experiments.

And somehow he gets a message or something to Carol and she joins him. This part is so up in the air, I have no idea how to work that out, but my theory is that Carol joins him and it's them that has been away for a year. When we see Daryl at Alexandria there's no sign of Carol, there's no mention of Carol in Ezekiel's speech. I think they came back together but we don't see them together as part of tptb misleading us in the belief that only Daryl had been gone.

The first time we see Carol is at Alexandria. She and Daryl looking at the names on the wall.

I remember thinking that Coco, Rosita's little girl looked more than just a year older than when we last saw her. She looks closer to a 2 to 3 year old to me. The year count started not after Rosie died, but probably months later.

I guess why I think this might be important is how it relates to the back and forth storyline of Daryl, Carol parting, coming together, parting again type of storyline from s10 Diverged.

Something else I wanted to share with you guys that occurred to me earlier today, another way Maggie could have gotten the photographs other than going back to the farm. She could have gotten them from her grandmother's beach house. I much prefer the thought of the farmhouse but in reality I had to tell you about the other option.

Also the package that Negan sent to Judith that Lydia and Elijah deliver to her at Alexandria. I wonder if he was already in New Babylon. Since we know that Ginny had come originally from Oceanside I'm thinking that he must have met her there, that's where Annie was probably send originally after the Commonwealth was brought down.

@galadrieljones

I just rewatched this and yo wtf is going on with the outfits

It’s like one minute Carol is wearing that weird gray space suit and then we seen Maggie and apparently there was another time jump?

The first time is when Daryl comes back and Connie greets him. Then they greet Maggie whose like “Time to see what’s out there,” and then Daryl and Carol say goodbye. I don’t think I realized this at first. Also sorry for the incredulity like I feel like I’m seeing this for the first time lol.

Really interesting theory that Carol has not been there, that she was with Daryl.

This is very weird I agree. All of it is perfectly missable but if you look closely all of these things are true. Weirdly, it makes me think about that one episode with all the time jumps and time stamps. The one with Toby and Aaron and Maggie, etc., and the weird scenes and distances that seem impossible. I always wondered if that was teaching us to watch closely for stuff like this but who knows. That episode still doesn’t sit right with me, and also, this series of scenes is also extremely odd.

I like the idea of him going back west, stopping in Georgia, and calling for Carol. Then they return and he has to go east by himself.

Or maybe it’s not east, maybe north, who knows? Also, what is the reason for Carol being unable or unwilling to go with him? Does she want to stay behind for Ezekiel? Does she need to figure something else out on her own without Daryl? She says, “This is gonna be good for you, for me.” Maybe she means, I need to work on my relationship and you need to go get yours. Daryl also says “It’s not like we’re never gonna see each other again.” So maybe they have a plan? Just adding to your speculation.

@wdway

This is all speculation, so spec away, haha. Like I said above, I believe there's several reasons that Carol initially stays behind. First of all Melissa at this point had backed out of France and they didn't know if she would be joining Norman for the second season of DD spin-off, so they left it open. That way they never have to come back and rework it, but if they needed to come back and worked the groundwork is there, story wise. I believe she was staying for Ezekiel but it's also about Carol breaking her pattern of running away and putting down roots. And lastly she's staying for the kids, because Daryl would not leave the kids with just anyone. By the time Carol joins Daryl I think it will be with Ezekiel's blessing and Daryl will be okay with knowing Ezekiel will care for the kids with his life.

I think that the year is from the time Daryl leaves and then returns to the CW. We don't see Daryl's reunion with the kids but we do see his reunion with connie. And we get the impression that people knew where he had been. Which means he wasn't kidnapped and taken to France, at least not yet.

@twdmusicboxmystery

Really love all this, Gals! Great catch on the outfits for the final episode. I’m sure you’re right about the chronological order of things. It’s super interesting that they were showing it to us in the wrong order. Great observations about everything!

[twdmusicboxmystery]

First Look at Troy's Return

So, it's been confirmed now that Troy is returning, and is apparently the faceless person in the Fear coda.

But, couple of things to notice, everyone.

He's blind in his left eye. Left side = Beth and only having 1 eye = Sirius. He's totally a Sirius a character. One we thought was dead, and who has now returned, resurrection-style.

He does NOT have curly blond hair, so why on earth did the person in the coda have that? 🤔

I mean, if nothing else, remember that there was LITERALLY a one-eyed dog around Beth and Daryl in Alone. And since Daryl has never lost an eye, or disappeared from us as viewers for a prolonged time before returning, it's safe to say that he is not the Sirius character. Beth is. We keep getting confirmation of this, season after season. It's only a matter of time, now.

Here's our convo:

@galadrieljones:

Also, first look at Troy. No long blond hair, ofc. Cool scarf tho…

@wdway:

Tptb apparently wanted to surprise and shock the audience by not showing his face in the closing scene and waiting a good hour or two before telling of his return. It's strange how the camera and lights can make his bright light blonde hair look brown. Sarcasm.

Just saw shots of Troy in the new episodes. He's wearing dark glasses and then one shot without the glasses. HE'S BLIND IN HIS LEFT(=Beth) EYE.

@galadrieljones:

I do like how these resurrection cases have incurable ailments from their near deaths. It really fits with all these TD theories about Beth.

@galadrieljones:

Interesting. Looks like a fancy hotel? And like Troy is back to his old ways of being a tyrant. Tho I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t just doing this to try and get information out of ppl to find Madison.

@wdway:

This is exciting because with him being blind in his left eye he becomes the new Sirius. And with the clue of Beth blonde hair in the teaser scene at the end of the first s8 episode we have imo a gift from tptb to TD.

@twdmusicboxmystery:

Yeah. Someone needs to blatantly ask them what was up with the blond hair. Are they just pretending it wasn’t a thing now? 😂

Thoughts?