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[katefatale]

tempura-broccoli replied to your post: do you think some writer in the DC verse will try to make Bane/Talia a thing through retcons after TDKR?

i know, me too, but retconning rape-y vibes…

Yeah, it'll definitely be controversial. If it happens in the near-ish future, I imagine Tumblr will lose its collective mind and my inbox will be full of angry messages. From my viewpoint, I think it's always a good thing to have a publishing body decide that a a character being a rapist simply isn't needed (I'm also not fond of Talia being a rapist in Morrison's work). But I do love Bane and have for years, and making him not a rapist would just be such a great move, in my opinion because, while I think it served a purpose in Dixon's story in its own fucked up way, it does nothing at all for the character, and removes him from his role of the sympathetic villain that he's been for the past few years. I've not read every single issue of Secret Six, unfortunately, but I haven't even seen Bane's threat/possible act against Talia even mentioned in that title, so it's possible (unless, of course, it happens in an issue I haven't read) that Gail was subtly meaning to retcon it out. 

Simultaneously making him my favorite character's consort would also be great. I would just be delighted. 

[katefatale]

I do know that apparently Nolan doesn't believe in director's cuts. So sadly we probably will never get to see those cut scenes. :(

Then all my (and tempura-broccoli's) hopes are dashed. 

Normally, I don't support studios influencing the director's decisions, but part of me kind of hopes they put pressure on Nolan to release a director's cut, at least for a future trilogy box set or something.

Damnit, Nolan. I wanna see Bane become his sexy bad self.  

[katefatale]

tempura-broccoli replied to your post: tempura-broccoli replied to your post: All what...

OMG HE’S NOT INCLUDING THEM ON THE DVD?! i am so tempted to cry rn.

It's doubtful. I actually don't have the special editions of any of his films (though I would gladly empty my wallet for a Super Special Edition Batman Trilogy Extravaganza, even if it meant finding a device with which to actually watch a Blu-Ray), but others who do have the non-cheapo DVDs of his previous work say that he doesn't put lots of deleted scenes on them. 

It makes me wonder how Tom Hardy feels about those scenes being cut. I know Miranda Otto wasn't particularly happy about Eowyn's fight scenes being cut, only to have the extended edition of The Two Towers include the stupid "Eowyn can't cook hurr hurr" scene. I'm wondering if Tom Hardy is similarly disappointed, or if he doesn't care. I mean, it is par for the course for actors to have some of their work hit the cutting room floor, but what Lindy Hemming described sounded like a really powerful scene and origin for Bane.

Seriously, why couldn't Nolan have Gone with the Wind-ed it and just made the damn thing 5 hours? I would honestly have watched. We could have had the intermission just before Bruce is dragged to the Pit. 

[katefatale]

Thank you, tempura-broccoli. You're a lifesaver. I was beginning to think I'd imagined it. 

[katefatale]

I love how you always note the white washing. That seems rare in this fandom.

Thank you! I'm always worried that I'll piss someone off by tagging it.

It's a tricky thing, in some ways. As I've said in a few posts before, I think that if Talia were a European/Caucasian woman, Marion Cotillard would have been perfectly cast. Similarly, if Bane were European, Tom Hardy would also have been perfect. I can't deny that they're both brilliant actors (in fact, after seeing TDKR, I'm pretty sure that Hardy is likely to be the next Gary Oldman in terms of being a chameleon, which is, incidentally, why I love all the pics of the two of them goofing around together. But that's a total digression.) They both did some wonderful things with the characters -- Hardy throughout the movie, and Cotillard whenever Nolan wasn't trying to downplay her so no one would notice her presence. Performance-wise, I really loved them both. 

However, as wonderful as they are, the fact does remain that they are European actors cast as characters who aren't Caucasian, and who have never been Caucasian. I don't see it as any malice on Nolan's part -- he clearly loves working with these people, and whenever a director and an actor work well together, the product of their labor is sure to be quality. If there were any indication that he had auditioned a whole slew of actors, including poc, and settled on Hardy and Cotillard because they truly were the best, then their casting might be somewhat less problematic. But as it stands, it does appear that there wasn't even a chance for a poc to get either role.

As a white woman, I'm in no position to speak from experience on this matter. But I'm very aware, from the experiences of others and my own academic and personal engagement in media culture, that performance opportunities for poc are extremely limited. The roles of Bane and Talia would have been rare chances for non-Caucasian actors to play powerful, dynamic roles in a major motion picture, chances which, sadly, don't come very often. 

So while I love both actors in general and, whitewashing aside, quite enjoyed their performances, I do feel that it should be noted that it wasn't perfect casting at all. 

It's not a topic that I'll probably delve into much anymore in great detail, now that the movie is out and over and there isn't anything anyone can do about the casting, but I do feel that I should mention that an important element of the characters' identities has been completely overlooked -- or even erased, if you prefer that term -- in the film.  

Thanks so much for your comment. I always do worry about how people will react to certain tags and notes.  

[On a side note, tempura-broccoli, can I just say that I love your avatar being beneath that speech bubble? It makes me think of your comment in the annoyed Alfred voice. XD]  

[katefatale]

[TDKR spoilers] RE: yesterday's post, from tempura-broccoli

[Message screencapped so it could be put under a cut]

Thank you! I'm glad other people agree.

While I loved their personal and professional relationship in the movie, I don't expect everyone to have loved it. But dear lord, people should at least have valid complaints, not "ugh he was working for some woman, that's stupid." 

I am so into Talia/Bane right now. It's my new favorite thing. :)