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You mentioned yesterday about how you're annoyed at the fanon version of Rose because of how people tend to sand all the rough/harsh edges off her, and I because I'm always looking for more ways to give characters depth, I was wondering what think *are* the more negative parts of Rose's character, as you see them?

Hmmmm. Well I wouldn’t call them negative per se, but that’s largely because I think that all characters’ “negative” traits can on some level be traced back to their origin stories, their histories and the way it all combines to shape them but there are a few things that I do like to play with with Rose’s character that aren’t entirely positive –

1) She has a tendency to make snap judgements of people, some of which can end up being quite unkind - she does this in TLJ with Finn, not fully understanding the depth of his trauma and why his specific trauma means that he wants to get Rey and get out. I think by the end of the film she’s slowly moving away from that kind of snap judgement mindset, but its something where I can still see scope for her to grow out of (which thanks to TRoS is just something we never dealt with again) or at least struggle with, because its difficult to always keep extending people grace and charity when you’re in the middle of a war for your life and also, the entire galaxy.

2) Sort of connected to that she has a very strong sense of right and wrong, which is great, but it also sort of connects up to a mild standard of self-righteousness, against whom she holds everyone she meets to. Again, this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but when it couples with making snap judgements about people, it does mean there are times when she’s not really trying to approach people from the point of view of understanding them, but from the point of view of measuring them up to the Resistance and to her own political standards. I think this is at least part of the initial driving conflict between her and Finn in TLJ because he fails to measure up to the standards she’s set and instead of asking why, she’s angry that he can’t be as dedicated as her and her growth arc through the film is realizing that she has to ask the why question, because the why is where you learn all the things that need to be undone for the galaxy to be “just”

I think her strong sense of right and wrong is good but also has the potential to turn dangerous, if not tempered with that sense of broader love/compassion (not like, for individual people but the kind where you just think about the vastness of people and beings as a whole and you want to save them all) because it could be very easy for her to slip into self-justification and into destructive action - which again, I think the first bit of TLJ was all about: destroying Canto Bight doesn’t change things even if on the grander ethical scale its a perfectly ethical action to fuck with rich arms dealing assholes, but it doesn’t change things for the broader galaxy in a meaningful way. Her symbolically freeing the fathier represents that realization, but again once you’ve spent years traumatized and used to reacting from a place of hurt and rage and certainty in your own sense of right and wrong, its something you’re going to struggle with for a while and I think that could easily have been one of her character development pathways in TRoS.

3) This one isn’t really straightforwardly negative in the same way as the other two, but Rose is also ruthlessly pragmatic in her dedication to the cause and I think there are a lot of interesting ways you could play with that. There’s that moment in TLJ where she pulls off the only memento she has of her sister Paige and is willing to hand that over to DJ as payment, just so that the Resistance has a chance to sabotage the Supremacy and escape to fight another day. This is a small thing, but the reason I’m pissed about the section I posted from Spark of the Resistance yesterday is that it kind of monkey paws the darker side her character could go down - which is in ruthless pragmatism, being willing to give up some of her most cherished self, just to make sure the Resistance has a shot at “winning” (except in the novel, its just another facile attempt at debating ends and means, without actually allowing it to grow organically from her character and also fucking, idk, giving the white girl a chance to lecture the girl whose homeworld was colonized and used as a weapons testing ground, a chance to lecture her about how we shouldn’t use bad weapons, despite doing those things herself albeit on a smaller scale).

Like, I’m thinking about this excerpt from Arundhati Roy’s essay Public Power in the Age of Empire (which again, is a must read, btw) where she describes how repressive state apparatuses and imperial structures force the hands of people who stand up to the state: “In this restive, despairing time, if governments do not do all they can to honour nonviolent resistance, then by default they privilege those who turn to violence. No government's condemnation of terrorism is credible if it cannot show itself to be open to change by nonviolent dissent. ... Violence has been deified. The message this sends is disturbing and dangerous: If you seek to air a public grievance, violence is more effective than nonviolence.” And I think that would be a way Rose’s ruthless pragmatism could turn way way darker.

4) This isn’t a pure negative either, but I think it adds a darker shade to her character than turns up in fic which is that she’s angry. My god, she’s so angry and hurting about what happened to her planet. In that scene in TLJ where she describes what happened, she has that steely horrible tone to her voice that people get when they’re trying to talk without crying, especially not to angry cry. I think its a miracle that she comes to the end of the film with the realization that you win a war by saving the things you love (i.e. by having some kind of ideological vision) not just by fighting what you hate (i.e. being reactive), but that doesn’t mean the anger or hurt within her has disappeared. I think it’s still down there, but its something she could channel into building the Resistance - while it still is a double-edged sword, because the thing with anger and hurt and even bitterness is that one day it will well up and cut you in unexpected ways.

5) She has a tendency to not think of herself as someone with grander agency or ability to effect change - a lot of her arc in both Cobalt Squadron and TLJ are her looking to other people to take the lead and do things and it kind of crops up again even in Spark of Resistance, where she’s looking to Poe or Rey to take the lead on making difficult decisions. I don’t think its a flaw as in something she has to be faulted for, but in a perfect world, her arc in TRoS should have been about stepping into leadership shoes and struggling with the realization that she can and must lead, not merely just be attache to Leia - and moreover, that she can really change things, she can plan and execute actions that help the Resistance without looking to other people to take the lead on doing them at her suggestion - while also struggling with the realization that leadership means making difficult decisions that aren’t all black and white or right and wrong and how to extend grace to herself, as well as to others in command, to figure out how the Resistance needs to go forward (without losing herself in the name of her cause).

But alas, we don’t live in that ideal world so you know.

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